By David Moyo| At a time when not much attention is being paid to atrocities committed by the government before the year 2000, including Gukurahundi massacres, ZANU PF MP Lawrence Katsiru has opened wounds saying Ndebele people must first pay compensation for the 19 century Mzilikazi raids before they can receive compensation for the 1980s Gukurahundi massacre.
MP Katsiru is a convicted rapist and once served 9 years in jail for raping a juvenile.
Speaking during consultations for the National Peace and Reconciliation Commission (NPRC) Bill held bat Mbuya Nehanda Hall in Marondera, Katsiru said closure over the genocide cannot be arrived until the Ndebele people have first paid lobola and compensated the Shonas for violating Mashonaland.
In the mid 1800s the Khumalo tribe later to be called Ndelebe, crossed the Limpopo over to present day Zimbabwe and established a kingdom whose throne was in Bulawayo. They were not the only tribe to migrate into the region as Shonas had 900 years before descended from Tanzania and displaced the Khoi San people many who then relocated to Botswana.
But Katsiru said the Ndebeles are foreigners who came and abducted Shona women and raided Shona cattle.
He said, “I agree with the Bill for various reasons, our sisters and cattle were taken in Mashonaland by the Ndebeles. They should pay lobola for kidnapping and forcing our sisters into marriage.
“They should compensate for the cattle they stole from Mashonaland; I was in Bulawayo during the Entumbane uprising in the 1970s and I saw Shonas being murdered in the streets because they could not speak Ndebele. These people should be compensated, then we should consider paying for Gukurahundi,” he said.
He added, “historians know how much was looted during that period. Compensation should start from the beginning, the era of Mbuya Nehanda not 1980 and onwards.”
Meanwhile, in Matebeleland Bulawayo residents have rejected Katsiru’s Bill.
Local people rejected the bill saying it does not address the Fifth Brigade atrocities that left at least 20,000 people dead in Matabeleland and Midlands provinces.
They said there won’t be any peace and reconciliation as long as the Gukurahundi atrocities are not addressed.
The locals slammed the bill for not addressing the issue of the atrocities and others also criticized it for ‘giving too much power’ to the justice ministry in a number of instances.
Now I am certain and sure that some of our fellow Shona citizens have a mental disease I should appropriately call Tribalmalitese.
These consultations over the National Peace and Reconciliation Commission Bill are about everything inhuman that has happened in every part of the country in the last 37 years since independence in 1980 – not just Gukurahundi.
Different people in different parts of the country experienced disruptions to their lives differently. Therefore each region, or constituency should contribute to the Bill with respect to its own experiences.
But surprisingly, for some of these Shona imbeciles – it would appear the NPRC consultations are ONLY about Gukurahundi. We really have some mad people out there in this Asylum we call Zimbabwe!!
I have heard and read this Katsiru line of argument from a number of Shonas many times and have been left dumbfounded.
What I can not understand is this; many Shonas claim to be educated, but one just wonders whether they really know and understand that this argument about tribal wars of the past, that they love raising again and again has no legal standing in any modern democracy? There are zero chances anywhere in the world, for this line of reasoning to ever be entertained by any court of the law or any government or global institutions such as the UN.
Given that such wars have been a global phenomenon in history; its quite interesting to note that in Africa, it is only the Shona people of Zimbabwe who are making it an issue. Do these people have brains or what?
There 90% chances of the Gukurahundi issue being considered by modern day courts; and virtually zero % chances of such ever happening with regard to these so called tribal wars. Surprisingly many intelligent and educated Shonas know this as a fact, but why they let loose their fellow Shona tribesmen to keep embarrassing the tribe like this, without saying a word to protect their own decency and dignity is quite beguiling to many a progressive nation!!
Itayi Dzamara is a Shona; he disappeared and is probably dead in the hands of the same army or security apparatus you claim to control? And that’s just one example among hundreds – kikikikiki Lol; what a fool and idiot.
You control the army that is eating you too? In the last ten years – how many people has that same army killed in Mthwakazi and we are not Shonas just to remind you? Almost none.
But its been abducting and killing Shonas – eish madoda – what a funny way of controlling the army by real idiots.
700 000 Shonas were Murambatswinered; ruined and displaced from their homes by the same Shona army controlled by you the Gukurahundi Shonas.
You are clearly a frustrated twat, because your tribalistic fuming about the army doesnt make sense, even to your small Tshona brain. You can commit suicide!!.
Kikikikikiki sure – you control the army – SUFFER BLOODY TSHONA!!!
say what you want the truth is we are in control you can rant and rant but NO COMPENSATION FOR GUKURAHUNDI VICTIMS .PERIOD
This simply proves that what Queen Elizabeth, through her fellow white Colonialists did merging the two countries Mthwakazi and Mashonaland into one single country Rhodesia was a terrible mistake.
Never mind the pretence now and then; the fact of the matter is that Shonas hate the Ndebele people; and this will forever remain this way till kingdom come.
I am now persuaded – FORWARD WITH THE MTHWAKAZI RESTORATION AGENDA FORWARD!!
Mugabe controls the army you mother fuckker; not you bloody pitiful sorry site of Tshonas. You would not be scattered all over the world begging for places to stay; jobs and fighting deportation everyday if you controlled anything. Go borrow some semblance of intelligence idiot!
There is no problem in Zim except for Mugabe, ZANU PF and heir Shona followers. Mark my words; I said “…their Shona followers..”. Obviously this excludes those who don’t follow them and their tribal beliefs.
There is nothing to forgive here, because none of us are responsible for anything. None of us lived in the 1890s – so what is there to forgive? Its Mugabe, ZANU PF and their Shona followers who are the problem here, and have sowed all these seeds of tribalism, by distorting our history and picking and choosing what suits them to influence the Shona voting electorate – their followers.
As for Gukurahundi – it has nothing to do with Shonas, as Dr Joshua Nkomo stated; therefore nothing should be expected of and from the Shona people. Gukurahundi is a Government/Mugabe/ZANU PF versus Mthwakazi/Matebeleland matter. Shonas don’t fit in anywhere here.
You are good candidates for necklacing in Mzansi – thats a fact. Tonga, tonga – what nonsense is that?
Its Mugabe family in power you idiot and they dont even know you – neither do they care about such idiots like you. Some of you are being fed to the lions in the Limpopo River basin running away from that tinotonga; uneducated bastard.
You are queuing everyday the whole day for ONLY $50 and sleeping under bridges. Some of you are committing suicide from stress kkkkkkkkk Lol Mthwakazi hleka uzugiqike!!
The streets of Johannesburg a flooded with blind Tshonas being led around holding onto canes – I have no money to waste. Dirty females with babies on their backs and flies feeding wildly ion them. You are dead people walking!!
Worse than pigs and dogs – with a language quite foreign to Southern Africa you have nowhere to fit in. King Mzilikazi did a good job – should have finished the lot of you. You didnt even have a name until we named you SHONA – some none entities of no identity who dont even know what their tribal name means. Very primitive and stupid – I hate these donkeys!!
Speak for yourself and leave some of us Shonas out of your primitive “WE”; iwe zimusoro rakawoma seDamba. Leave the Ndebele alone. Your inferiority complex is killing you.
You have no shame to obsess over such a minority – what a pity. They are not responsible for your sorry state of yourself and your country; now a laughing stock all over the world.
Deal with your Svikiro alone!!
Who said you care? We dont need your caring nor your sympathy; you can go to hell a million times, never to come back. Tshonas have to squirm and squirm you will.
Indeed, I say bring it on – the necklacing of the bloody Tshona idiots that we are doing here in South Africa is the way to go. A pretty good start.
You have nowhere to hide – kicked by your Tshona kith and kin Mugabe from your Tinotonga Gukurahundi Republic – you come running down South; we kick your backsides right into the Indian Ocean. You are not difficult to identify you Dogs. What with your heavy Gukurahundi Burundi accents and your inability to speak African languages. You are well marked for public execution!!
We shall continue to hunt you down and we dont wannna hear your usual stupid cries of Xenophobia and Zuma this Zuma that. Go to hell you are fucked and fuck you!!
WE CONTROL THE ARMY ,POLICE AND ALL GOVERNMENT APPARATAS,ABOVE ALL WE HAVE BETTER NUMBERS IN TERMS OF POPULATION
HATE US OR LOVE WE STILL REMAINS SHONA PEOPLE AND TICHAITONGA ZIMBABWE WHILST YOU ARE OUR VICE, LOOK AT THIS WHEN CAANAN WAS PRESIDENT HE WAS JUST A CEREMONIAL PRESIDENT AND MUGABE WAS CALLING THE SHOTS,ENTER JOSHUA NKOMA OUR FIRST WIFE,ENTER JOSEPH MUSIKA OUR SECOND WIFE,COME JOHN LANDA NKOMO OUR THIRD WIFE,NOW COMES PEREKEDZAI VAMWE MUPHOPO OUR FOURTH WIFE, UNOTI KUDINI NAPO APO
You are right on – Tshona ancestors were stupid; they were dealt with by the clever Ndebele. We as today’s generation are also hungry for a war with the bloody Burundian Tshonas. We need to sort each other out, once and for all and restore the status quo to what it was before you and your Rhodes invaded uMthwakazi Kingdom. We are like oil and water – we cant live in peace together. Otherwise we all go back to the North of Africa. Finish and klaar!!
Katsiru i love your sentiments if i were to become leader today i would pursue that agenda of making these Ndebeles pay
yes “WE” if you attack one of us you have attacked all of us
you can as well go hang we dont care how many stupi ndebeles were killed in GUKURAHUNDI that was pretty good , a good way of revenging, you are not yet done
How did your sorry asses end up in Southern Africa? Did you drop from the heavens above onto Southern Africa or your ancestors came from Central Africa?
Wise up – history does not start where it suits you. Mugabe messed up with your brains you ignorant Shonas
We dont read the Gukurahundi language of the oppressor!
I hate Shonas with a passion – DID YOU KNOW THAT?
Mugabe has not done enough to make you suffer – empty the country of Shona hordes – scattering you all over the world; from Mzansi, to the UK, Canada, US, Australia etc running away from your TINOTONGA!!; and WE here in South Africa are determined to do more necklacing of you sorry arses until you are gone from Southern African lands; back to Burundi!!
“WE compensate them”?
Who is we? Some of you Shonas are really a funny lot. Many of you always accuse people of associating Gukurahundi with Shonas. Dr Joshua Nkomo stated categorically that Gukurahundi had nothing to do with Shona people but ZANU PF politics and Mugabe’s love for unfettered one party state power.
But what do we get?
Here you are collectively including yourselves in your “WE” as the responsible Gukurahundis. Now, why then do you blame those who accuse Shonas of Gukurahundi, if you choose to be a part of them on your own? What are confused lot.
Was Gukurahundi about tribal wars or about ZANU PF?
forget about Gukurahundi compesation
wether rapist or not Katsiru is right
Just shut up Mugabe was right in trying to annihilate you,he was wrong to spare you,you dont deserve to live you and whoever you represent you deserve to die,i dont understand your language i dont want to understand it either, just shut up you Ndebeles, i hate you
Libabi kangaka … lisasebeka kangaka …. klwaaaaaaaaaaaa …. hahahahaha, hleka mntaneNkosi, nsinsitheka Mthwakazi!!!
Maye uthi liyesabeka bantu. Awu suka!!!!
Heya, inga munoswera muchitaura wani, ko zwaipei nhasi. It is a fact mzilikazi ran away from tshaka with no women and cattle or goats. We all know what happened, well shit happens, let’s move on!
The bottom line is that we should forgive the past and look forward as one nation one Zimbabwe!
What can he say a MUPOSTORI RAPIST. Singing for his supper you self-styled prophet. God is watching. Keep on vomiting like RBZ guy Kereke who is now languishing in prison. Your time will come you STUPID RAPIST. Zanu PF please do not let anyone tried in court be your candidates. Its wrong. Look at this MP in Mutare, Nokuthula Matsikenyere, she was in jail in China for Ivory. She served almost 4 years and now she is a Member of Parliament. Its my party Zanu PF, but you dress the party down because of your candidates.
Let me tell you something:
1. Shonas first pay for the grabbing Khoisan Southern African lands during the Bantu Southwards mif=gration;
2. Bona, Robert jnr and Chatunga pay for Gukurahundi.
ONLY THEN WILL MTHWAKAZI PAY ANYTHING TO SHONAS; OTHERWISE GO HANG!!
Katsiru is spot on ,these Ndebeles abducted our sisters and took away our cattle ,they compensate first before we compensate them
RAPIST SHUT UP. YOU BELONG TO THE PRISONS. ALL ARE FOREIGNERS IN THIS COUNTRY EXCEPT THE KHOI PEOPLE. SHONAS FROM TANZANIA, NDEBELES FROM SOUTH AFRICA AND WHITES FROM EUROPE.
Ndiko kuvhutire moto ikoko. Katsiru kubvire kundotiwo mwero ndine muromo. Unapima zvinobva mumuromo mwakomwo. Mazwinyi ekutaura kuvanhu ve munoziye kuti vari kurwadzisa?
Wakange W adini kubvunze Nyasia yaMzilikazi ku sati kwaiteyi Gukurahundi?
Zvibate!