There is something powerful and unusual about the term xenophobia. Every official in South Africa from Mbeki’s time doesn’t want to acknowledge that xenophobia is an issue in their Rainbow Nation. They all want to point to xenophobic outrages and tragedy as rare isolated criminal incidences that can be easily dealt with. But we all know the truth, that’s not the case. South Africa has a large section of its nationals who are xenophobic or suffer from Afro-phobia as one friend would like to describe them. Why do SA official dismiss the existence of xenophobia in SA? And what is xenophobia in simple terms.
What is xeneophobia?
In simple terms xenophobia is the ‘hatred, intolerance and hostility towards representatives of other races, religion, culture, foreigners or representatives of other regions as well as towards something unknown, unusual and strange’ Those who are xenophobic always see their group as the best and original. On the other hand, the other groups are met with hostility disrespect and mistreat. For most South Africans, their hatred is targeted at fellow black people whom they also see as bringing diseases and crime.
When did it start in South Africa
I am willing to forgive South Africans because of their apartheid history. Its no excuse for their hatred of fellow back people, but other explanation can be acceptable for their continued hatred of others and their practice of burning people. All this can be traced to their history. South Africa’s apartheid introduced xenophobia. The Apartheid regime discriminated and separated people according to their skin colour, complexion and passes. All these counted for one’s status and station in life. And now, South Africans are happy to vent their anger against foreigners, whom they accuse of spreading disease, stealing jobs plus sponging off basic government services like electricity, running water and healthcare. Some cases of xenophobia found before the shocking 2008 major incident include;
• In 1998, three foreign-nationals were killed on a train, between Johannesburg and Pretoria.
• In 2000, a Sudanese refugee was thrown from a train on a similar route. The reasons were all the same: blaming foreigners for a lack of jobs, or economic opportunity.
• In 2007, a shop in the eastern Cape was set alight by a mob.
• This escalated in 2008, leaving 62 people dead, and more than 17 000 displaced and properties worth millions of Rands looted and destroyed, with thousands of foreigners under protection in refugees camps, churches, mosques and police stations. The violence only stopped when the government resorted to military intervention. Mozambique repatriated most of its citizens. It was Afro-phobia, it only affected black, African foreign nationals because there was no evidence of violence directed at white Europeans Indians from the subcontinent.
As these incidents took place, the South African government did not want to see them as signs of festering xenophobia, instead, preferred calling them criminality.
AFROPHOBIA IS OFFICIAL SNUBBED AT?
If South Africa is not xenophobic, then it is Afro-phobic for mainly people have endured this treatment against them by their black brothers. Surprisingly, the South African leaders have not helped the situation. Their denial of the problem was as good as condoning it. The then President Thabo Mbeki, just before he left power and when xenophobia viciously raised its ugly head in 2008, said those who were using the term were “trying to explain naked criminality by cloaking it in the garb of xenophobia…When I heard some accuse my people of xenophobia, of hatred of foreigners, I wondered what the accusers knew about my people, which I did not know … and in spite of this reality, I will not hesitate to assert that my people are not diseased by the terrible affliction of xenophobia which has, in the past, led to the commission of the heinous crime of genocide’’
Subsequently, 62 people were murdered for being foreigners inside Thabo Mbeki’s Rainbow nation. The president was not alone. It became official to deny a problem before everyone.
Like Mbeki, President Zuma continued to condemn the incident not as xenophobic, but criminal activities.
Gauteng Premier David Makhura, ‘What we have seen happening, ladies and gentlemen, is not xenophobia, it’s criminality….We have gone out to the community to talk, telling our community members that nobody in our communities must try to defend criminality.”
The Minister of Small Business Development Lindiwe Zulu, who set a Task Team to look at the underlying causes of the violence against foreign-owned businesses, left the nation shocked as she worsened the situation by declaring that foreign-business owners in South Africa’s townships were not expected to co-exist peacefully with local business owners unless they shared their trade secrets.
The most recent violence is alleged to have been instigated by comments attributed to the
Zulu king who forcefully told migrants to go home. Later, he said he was he was mistranslated. Even though, the Home Affairs Minister Malusi Gigaba called on traditional leaders to stop making remarks that “could result in a
loss of life”.
More stunning revelations and comments were made by those indulging in xenophobia, or observers.
“Cops told us to loot,” the headline said. Even the police when they come to help you they first take money from you
Cynthia Khanyile, a Jabulani street vendor the blame lies elsewhere did not mince her words, “I hate foreigners. I really don’t like them. They take business away from us. We work hard, but then the foreigners come and take our business and our jobs,” she said.
Another observer nailed laid the blame squarely where it belongs, ‘Our government also knows, the State Security people, know who the perpetrators of the violence are, and they looking the other way sometimes. And mostly, it’s because of power hungry people that cause all those conflicts that only if they could, they should sit around the table and resolve their differences for the sake of peace…
‘It’s a group of people coming together and deciding to attack. Most of the time violence happens after a general public meeting, organised by the community leaders, where foreigners are discussed, and then a decision is taken to remove them from the community. In those meetings, it a matter of taking charge: “this is the situation, we can’t continue like this”, or “there is nobody else to take care of this issue,” or “It’s now us who has to deal with it”.
Thus the violence is not an impromptu action by drunk, hungry or unemployed youths. This is violence that happens as a result of local leaders meeting and deciding on it. These are powerful local resident groups who even determine local elections results. It is happening with the blessings of the police who either join in looting or simply pretend they are not there. The violence is not seen and seriously taken for what it is by the country’s leadership. This is pure hatred of black foreigners by South Africans, its Afro-phobia and must be tackled as such.
MOST PAINFUL DEATH
Brutal South Africans do not value life at all as statistics show. The most painful death in front of out TVs was that of a young Mozambican man named Mido Macia in early 2013. He was tied to a police van and dragged through a street close to Johannesburg by officers simply because he was a foreigner who parked his taxi on the wrong side of the road. If the police can do this to foreigners, what can the general population do. South Africans are well known for their most painful and heinous way of killing people by touching them. This goes back during their liberation struggle as a summary execution tactic against betrayers. This is what is now being done to foreigners. South Africans will drag their victims into the street for all to see and “necklace” them. A rubber tyre is filled with petrol and forced around a victim’s chest and arms, and set alight.
Can South Africa not stop xenophobia violence?
South Africa can stop this if its commits itself. For example, South Africa was able to drastically reduce its crime rate during the World Cup in the west of Johannesburg by 70% and by 60% in the east of Johannesburg. Armed robberies and home robberies dropped by 37% and 31% respectively in these parts during the World Cup. So we have a country leaving foreigners at the mercy of murderers yet the same country was able to give maximum protection to mainly white people who attended World Cup. It is the same country that opened its borders for black foreigners to come and work for it during the same World Cup. IS South Africa not Afro-phobic then?
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Africa will have the last laugh
Africa will have the last laugh
Africa will have the last laugh we Zimbabweans might have an ailing economy now but one day that will surely change and this violence it seems is only been meted out against fellow Africans, surely one day we will remind South Africa about this dark period in its history and why is the South African leadership so quiet why isn’t President Jacob Zuma condemning these inhumane barbaric acts. Before they were independent we harboured their leaders against the apartheid regime but they have forgotten that. Let South Africa be reminded the world is watching
Africa will have the last laugh we Zimbabweans might have an ailing economy now but one day that will surely change and this violence it seems is only been meted out against fellow Africans, surely one day we will remind South Africa about this dark period in its history and why is the South African leadership so quiet why isn’t President Jacob Zuma condemning these inhumane barbaric acts. Before they were independent we harboured their leaders against the apartheid regime but they have forgotten that. Let South Africa be reminded the world is watching
South African Afrophobia is nothing new. It pervades all spheres of South African lives, and it is only when it explodes like this do public officials dip their fingers into water in public washing acts. The veneer of advancement is very thin in South Africa, and its illusion is demonstrated in its attitude towards the most vulnerable other, the one that can be made into a scapegoat for the distinctly South African pathologies ( a lack of exposure to the world, and poor education as an example) that the country has not been able to/willing to address. The demon of black-on-black violence during theapartheid era, is another example. This Afrophobia is its diabolic offspring. The amplification of the hatred of those who are most like you. Poor South Africa. Destined for greatness, choosing to become a pathetic blob. The rest of the continent is afraid of speaking publicly against these kind of things because we have needed the illusion of South African exceptionalism. At some point we need to say, the emperor (or in this case, the king) is stark naked and flashing his ugly, wrinkled nether regions at the rest of us. South Africa, as an African I will state it: Right now you are an excruciating embarrassment to our humanity.
South African Afrophobia is nothing new. It pervades all spheres of South African lives, and it is only when it explodes like this do public officials dip their fingers into water in public washing acts. The veneer of advancement is very thin in South Africa, and its illusion is demonstrated in its attitude towards the most vulnerable other, the one that can be made into a scapegoat for the distinctly South African pathologies ( a lack of exposure to the world, and poor education as an example) that the country has not been able to/willing to address. The demon of black-on-black violence during theapartheid era, is another example. This Afrophobia is its diabolic offspring. The amplification of the hatred of those who are most like you. Poor South Africa. Destined for greatness, choosing to become a pathetic blob. The rest of the continent is afraid of speaking publicly against these kind of things because we have needed the illusion of South African exceptionalism. At some point we need to say, the emperor (or in this case, the king) is stark naked and flashing his ugly, wrinkled nether regions at the rest of us. South Africa, as an African I will state it: Right now you are an excruciating embarrassment to our humanity.
South African Afrophobia is nothing new. It pervades all spheres of South African lives, and it is only when it explodes like this do public officials dip their fingers into water in public washing acts. The veneer of advancement is very thin in South Africa, and its illusion is demonstrated in its attitude towards the most vulnerable other, the one that can be made into a scapegoat for the distinctly South African pathologies ( a lack of exposure to the world, and poor education as an example) that the country has not been able to/willing to address. The demon of black-on-black violence during theapartheid era, is another example. This Afrophobia is its diabolic offspring. The amplification of the hatred of those who are most like you. Poor South Africa. Destined for greatness, choosing to become a pathetic blob. The rest of the continent is afraid of speaking publicly against these kind of things because we have needed the illusion of South African exceptionalism. At some point we need to say, the emperor (or in this case, the king) is stark naked and flashing his ugly, wrinkled nether regions at the rest of us. South Africa, as an African I will state it: Right now you are an excruciating embarrassment to our humanity.
excuse me, but every African country has been through the racial discimination era, and the arpatheid was just one of them, no excuse to be heartless and cruel. I am ashamed of such a country. Ashamed to the core.
excuse me, but every African country has been through the racial discimination era, and the arpatheid was just one of them, no excuse to be heartless and cruel. I am ashamed of such a country. Ashamed to the core.
excuse me, but every African country has been through the racial discimination era, and the arpatheid was just one of them, no excuse to be heartless and cruel. I am ashamed of such a country. Ashamed to the core.
Speaking for myself, I don’t justify anything. It is wrong and unjustifiable to kill anyone, let alone for the simple reason that they are a foreigner.What Im simply saying is that its not right to readily characterise all these actions as xenophobia. And to accuse SA. I think we need to avoid saying wrong things that are mutually reinforcing, whichever side of the divide we fall. SA is careful not to accept all these as xenophobia for good reasons. As criminal acts it is quicker and easier to deal with them. However, I agree that the criminality comes disguised as hatred for foreigners who it is easy to blame. Another, let us not approach things with the attitude that we also ‘own’ this country; we don’t. Above all, let’s ensure that in our writings, we don’t make things worse for those who face the threat of all this on the ground alone.
We don’t want SA herding us into refugee camps and thereby excluding us completely from participating in its economy ….
Speaking for myself, I don’t justify anything. It is wrong and unjustifiable to kill anyone, let alone for the simple reason that they are a foreigner.What Im simply saying is that its not right to readily characterise all these actions as xenophobia. And to accuse SA. I think we need to avoid saying wrong things that are mutually reinforcing, whichever side of the divide we fall. SA is careful not to accept all these as xenophobia for good reasons. As criminal acts it is quicker and easier to deal with them. However, I agree that the criminality comes disguised as hatred for foreigners who it is easy to blame. Another, let us not approach things with the attitude that we also ‘own’ this country; we don’t. Above all, let’s ensure that in our writings, we don’t make things worse for those who face the threat of all this on the ground alone.
We don’t want SA herding us into refugee camps and thereby excluding us completely from participating in its economy ….
Speaking for myself, I don’t justify anything. It is wrong and unjustifiable to kill anyone, let alone for the simple reason that they are a foreigner.What Im simply saying is that its not right to readily characterise all these actions as xenophobia. And to accuse SA. I think we need to avoid saying wrong things that are mutually reinforcing, whichever side of the divide we fall. SA is careful not to accept all these as xenophobia for good reasons. As criminal acts it is quicker and easier to deal with them. However, I agree that the criminality comes disguised as hatred for foreigners who it is easy to blame. Another, let us not approach things with the attitude that we also ‘own’ this country; we don’t. Above all, let’s ensure that in our writings, we don’t make things worse for those who face the threat of all this on the ground alone.
We don’t want SA herding us into refugee camps and thereby excluding us completely from participating in its economy ….
@Mhlakazanhlansi and others, I am trying to see how you justify the situation prevailingin SA against foreigners. Every govt is required to protect people withing its borders. I get that protection wherever I go as a foreigner. I have been driven under heavy police and military protection in foreign countries becuase they know itis their duty to do so. Nonetheless, South Africa opened its borders for Zimbabweans. It allowed them and thus all the illegal immigrants doesnt hold water in as far as Zimbabweans are concerned. At the moment they are still dealing with the Permits issue, so how do you call them illegals when you allowed them into your home and are still regularising their stay. This is no an issue of having permits or not. Why are they attacking Africans only? Zimbabwe had Mozambicans and South Africans, and I was at Nyan’ombe refugee camp several times. Never did I ever see violence against foreigners. Besides, there are many avenues for the South African govt to deal with people it nolonger wants than setting on them marauding murders. Oh please dont quote me Mugabe.
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@Mhlakazanhlansi and others, I am trying to see how you justify the situation prevailingin SA against foreigners. Every govt is required to protect people withing its borders. I get that protection wherever I go as a foreigner. I have been driven under heavy police and military protection in foreign countries becuase they know itis their duty to do so. Nonetheless, South Africa opened its borders for Zimbabweans. It allowed them and thus all the illegal immigrants doesnt hold water in as far as Zimbabweans are concerned. At the moment they are still dealing with the Permits issue, so how do you call them illegals when you allowed them into your home and are still regularising their stay. This is no an issue of having permits or not. Why are they attacking Africans only? Zimbabwe had Mozambicans and South Africans, and I was at Nyan’ombe refugee camp several times. Never did I ever see violence against foreigners. Besides, there are many avenues for the South African govt to deal with people it nolonger wants than setting on them marauding murders. Oh please dont quote me Mugabe.
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@Mhlakazanhlansi and others, I am trying to see how you justify the situation prevailingin SA against foreigners. Every govt is required to protect people withing its borders. I get that protection wherever I go as a foreigner. I have been driven under heavy police and military protection in foreign countries becuase they know itis their duty to do so. Nonetheless, South Africa opened its borders for Zimbabweans. It allowed them and thus all the illegal immigrants doesnt hold water in as far as Zimbabweans are concerned. At the moment they are still dealing with the Permits issue, so how do you call them illegals when you allowed them into your home and are still regularising their stay. This is no an issue of having permits or not. Why are they attacking Africans only? Zimbabwe had Mozambicans and South Africans, and I was at Nyan’ombe refugee camp several times. Never did I ever see violence against foreigners. Besides, there are many avenues for the South African govt to deal with people it nolonger wants than setting on them marauding murders. Oh please dont quote me Mugabe.
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It’s not a question of whether or not they’re responsible for what is happening, and they need not. It’s a question of whether – given their condition and vulnerable state – those of us like me and you – can do anything to ease their situation rather than harden attitudes in SA by what we put out there.
You also have to address the much-publicised Zimbabwean crime which goes back years, horrible, military-style crime and heists committed by so-called zimbabweans in SA which is all feeding into all this.
I think for those exposed to these attacks in an immediate and real way, you may find they appreciate anything that invokes SA sympathy than ‘hard-hitting’ articles that make their situation worse. When they are safe, maybe Never you can ‘massacre’ SA with your entire arsenal of rights etc. But that – for the most part – Zimbabweans are authors of their misfortunes in SA is not in doubt, a sad legacy of a false self-over-importance given us and which we carry to other places in our deeds, body language and even utterances.
And when we insult our hosts during a state visit – in their home, and while these attacks are on-going – you have to go beyond shame and look for answers that explain this dislocation from basic humanity. Forget ubuntu!
And the MOST PRESSING task: was it a populist jibe at white people or the SOLE OBLIGATION was for president mugabe to plead for the Zimbabweans exposed to the threatened or ongoing attacks? You tell me ….But listen to Gwede Mantashe when SA is insulted by its distinguished host:
“When it comes to our attitudes we theorise colonialisation differently to Zanu-PF,” Mantashe told New24.
“That is why the ANC government will not use this approach of if a white man owns a farm it is revolutionary to kick that white farmer out and occupy it…”
Listen to the tone, and see the choice of words. Then contrast that with the hate-filled language of not wanting to see a “white face”, or the unstatesmanlike language of not having “taken the head” of Ian Smith, the late former Rhodesian leader. Do you think it’s only zimbaweans who read that, and SAfricans don’t, of any colour?
And, on whether Nathi Mthethwa, who had the misfortune of accompanying president mugabe, should have intervened, Mantashe said: “It doesn’t reflect on minister Mthethwa, it reflects on President Mugabe.”
Need I say more Never about this attitude?? By the way, you can also google and see what the Indian high commissioner said about zimbabwe in the wikileaks diplomatic dump!!
It’s not a question of whether or not they’re responsible for what is happening, and they need not. It’s a question of whether – given their condition and vulnerable state – those of us like me and you – can do anything to ease their situation rather than harden attitudes in SA by what we put out there.
You also have to address the much-publicised Zimbabwean crime which goes back years, horrible, military-style crime and heists committed by so-called zimbabweans in SA which is all feeding into all this.
I think for those exposed to these attacks in an immediate and real way, you may find they appreciate anything that invokes SA sympathy than ‘hard-hitting’ articles that make their situation worse. When they are safe, maybe Never you can ‘massacre’ SA with your entire arsenal of rights etc. But that – for the most part – Zimbabweans are authors of their misfortunes in SA is not in doubt, a sad legacy of a false self-over-importance given us and which we carry to other places in our deeds, body language and even utterances.
And when we insult our hosts during a state visit – in their home, and while these attacks are on-going – you have to go beyond shame and look for answers that explain this dislocation from basic humanity. Forget ubuntu!
And the MOST PRESSING task: was it a populist jibe at white people or the SOLE OBLIGATION was for president mugabe to plead for the Zimbabweans exposed to the threatened or ongoing attacks? You tell me ….But listen to Gwede Mantashe when SA is insulted by its distinguished host:
“When it comes to our attitudes we theorise colonialisation differently to Zanu-PF,” Mantashe told New24.
“That is why the ANC government will not use this approach of if a white man owns a farm it is revolutionary to kick that white farmer out and occupy it…”
Listen to the tone, and see the choice of words. Then contrast that with the hate-filled language of not wanting to see a “white face”, or the unstatesmanlike language of not having “taken the head” of Ian Smith, the late former Rhodesian leader. Do you think it’s only zimbaweans who read that, and SAfricans don’t, of any colour?
And, on whether Nathi Mthethwa, who had the misfortune of accompanying president mugabe, should have intervened, Mantashe said: “It doesn’t reflect on minister Mthethwa, it reflects on President Mugabe.”
Need I say more Never about this attitude?? By the way, you can also google and see what the Indian high commissioner said about zimbabwe in the wikileaks diplomatic dump!!
It’s not a question of whether or not they’re responsible for what is happening, and they need not. It’s a question of whether – given their condition and vulnerable state – those of us like me and you – can do anything to ease their situation rather than harden attitudes in SA by what we put out there.
You also have to address the much-publicised Zimbabwean crime which goes back years, horrible, military-style crime and heists committed by so-called zimbabweans in SA which is all feeding into all this.
I think for those exposed to these attacks in an immediate and real way, you may find they appreciate anything that invokes SA sympathy than ‘hard-hitting’ articles that make their situation worse. When they are safe, maybe Never you can ‘massacre’ SA with your entire arsenal of rights etc. But that – for the most part – Zimbabweans are authors of their misfortunes in SA is not in doubt, a sad legacy of a false self-over-importance given us and which we carry to other places in our deeds, body language and even utterances.
And when we insult our hosts during a state visit – in their home, and while these attacks are on-going – you have to go beyond shame and look for answers that explain this dislocation from basic humanity. Forget ubuntu!
And the MOST PRESSING task: was it a populist jibe at white people or the SOLE OBLIGATION was for president mugabe to plead for the Zimbabweans exposed to the threatened or ongoing attacks? You tell me ….But listen to Gwede Mantashe when SA is insulted by its distinguished host:
“When it comes to our attitudes we theorise colonialisation differently to Zanu-PF,” Mantashe told New24.
“That is why the ANC government will not use this approach of if a white man owns a farm it is revolutionary to kick that white farmer out and occupy it…”
Listen to the tone, and see the choice of words. Then contrast that with the hate-filled language of not wanting to see a “white face”, or the unstatesmanlike language of not having “taken the head” of Ian Smith, the late former Rhodesian leader. Do you think it’s only zimbaweans who read that, and SAfricans don’t, of any colour?
And, on whether Nathi Mthethwa, who had the misfortune of accompanying president mugabe, should have intervened, Mantashe said: “It doesn’t reflect on minister Mthethwa, it reflects on President Mugabe.”
Need I say more Never about this attitude?? By the way, you can also google and see what the Indian high commissioner said about zimbabwe in the wikileaks diplomatic dump!!
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If you don’t have anything to contribute to this article just stay keep quiet. You display such ignorance that makes some of us pique. So in your limited worldview about sanctity of life, these people who are being murdered and set on fire deserve it d because somehow they “misbehaved” in a country they should have shown gratitude. Somehow those who are being murdered they are responsible for their death.
If you don’t have anything to contribute to this article just stay keep quiet. You display such ignorance that makes some of us pique. So in your limited worldview about sanctity of life, these people who are being murdered and set on fire deserve it d because somehow they “misbehaved” in a country they should have shown gratitude. Somehow those who are being murdered they are responsible for their death.
If you don’t have anything to contribute to this article just stay keep quiet. You display such ignorance that makes some of us pique. So in your limited worldview about sanctity of life, these people who are being murdered and set on fire deserve it d because somehow they “misbehaved” in a country they should have shown gratitude. Somehow those who are being murdered they are responsible for their death.
If you really think about it, this all doesn’t make sense. But not necessarily in the article’s content – though that’s also true – but from where the article starts and ends, politically.
1. It doesn’t make sense to leave your own country – made up of the most rabid oppression and such anti-foreigner stances – and then go to a tolerant state next door to preach ‘good’ to it. Surely, Ndaba, what can equate with Zim on all levels of governance depravity? Therefore start and end politically to assess the value of your own contribution.
2. SA hasn’t created ‘refugee camps’ – as it is quite entitled to do, and now mulls doing – and has allowed ILLEGAL foreigners to live in their community. But of all foreigners, look at the criminal activities of so-called Zimbabweans in SA! You have to be emotionally blinded not to see the consequences of all that on SA. Mugabe virtually condemned Zims last week – Zims changing SA ‘social system’!
3. Definitions! Problem with definitions is definitional ‘silo-ing’ – the idea that facts are fitted into a definition retrospectively and then they become that phenomenon via that process. In this case, the dynamics simply do not fit your characterisation. There are many variables, not least of which is the ARROGANCE and CHEST-BEATING of – you know who – even in situations where they are beggars, as we ALL are in SA, but in name only. People are not foolish – and SAfricans are not – in spite of what so-called Zimbabweans – you know who – think of them!
And why not define ‘Afrophobia’ too, so we can make our own judgments about what the phenomenon at play is? Just coming down with a characterisation hammer just isn’t it!
3. Careful about attacking, questioning, undermining institutions of other nations from assumed superior or more morally defensible positions – however justified you may feel. People don’t like it. And other nations are proud of their countries, except of course ZIMBABWEANS.
In my view, this article falls into the last point above, and is preaching to a narrow cohort of the converted – the very cohort that this article should be attacking, not the other way round. And it is on this point – on these sorts of behaviours – that Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans have come short on practically ALL fronts of behaviour as a state and ‘nation’
And the fact that you are hungry at your homestead, doesn’t grant you an automatic right to go next door and demand to be fed. Let alone, to set the rules and to start criticising your ‘host’, and in confrontational fashion. What is difficult to grasp there?? And does it matter whether you talking in the private sense or public sense???
The fact that SA may become an economic wasteland and political fowl run in the future is neither here nor there to how – as of now and in a situation of need – we should behave ourselves in other people’s countries. And by the way, for the same reasons, we are being kicked out from Mozambique, Botswana and further afield. Why focus just on SA? And the answer you’ll give is no answer at all, if you think about it!
Why not question everything that has made so-called Zimbabweans – and their State – that way in the first place?? To be so unwelcome outside??
If you really think about it, this all doesn’t make sense. But not necessarily in the article’s content – though that’s also true – but from where the article starts and ends, politically.
1. It doesn’t make sense to leave your own country – made up of the most rabid oppression and such anti-foreigner stances – and then go to a tolerant state next door to preach ‘good’ to it. Surely, Ndaba, what can equate with Zim on all levels of governance depravity? Therefore start and end politically to assess the value of your own contribution.
2. SA hasn’t created ‘refugee camps’ – as it is quite entitled to do, and now mulls doing – and has allowed ILLEGAL foreigners to live in their community. But of all foreigners, look at the criminal activities of so-called Zimbabweans in SA! You have to be emotionally blinded not to see the consequences of all that on SA. Mugabe virtually condemned Zims last week – Zims changing SA ‘social system’!
3. Definitions! Problem with definitions is definitional ‘silo-ing’ – the idea that facts are fitted into a definition retrospectively and then they become that phenomenon via that process. In this case, the dynamics simply do not fit your characterisation. There are many variables, not least of which is the ARROGANCE and CHEST-BEATING of – you know who – even in situations where they are beggars, as we ALL are in SA, but in name only. People are not foolish – and SAfricans are not – in spite of what so-called Zimbabweans – you know who – think of them!
And why not define ‘Afrophobia’ too, so we can make our own judgments about what the phenomenon at play is? Just coming down with a characterisation hammer just isn’t it!
3. Careful about attacking, questioning, undermining institutions of other nations from assumed superior or more morally defensible positions – however justified you may feel. People don’t like it. And other nations are proud of their countries, except of course ZIMBABWEANS.
In my view, this article falls into the last point above, and is preaching to a narrow cohort of the converted – the very cohort that this article should be attacking, not the other way round. And it is on this point – on these sorts of behaviours – that Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans have come short on practically ALL fronts of behaviour as a state and ‘nation’
And the fact that you are hungry at your homestead, doesn’t grant you an automatic right to go next door and demand to be fed. Let alone, to set the rules and to start criticising your ‘host’, and in confrontational fashion. What is difficult to grasp there?? And does it matter whether you talking in the private sense or public sense???
The fact that SA may become an economic wasteland and political fowl run in the future is neither here nor there to how – as of now and in a situation of need – we should behave ourselves in other people’s countries. And by the way, for the same reasons, we are being kicked out from Mozambique, Botswana and further afield. Why focus just on SA? And the answer you’ll give is no answer at all, if you think about it!
Why not question everything that has made so-called Zimbabweans – and their State – that way in the first place?? To be so unwelcome outside??
If you really think about it, this all doesn’t make sense. But not necessarily in the article’s content – though that’s also true – but from where the article starts and ends, politically.
1. It doesn’t make sense to leave your own country – made up of the most rabid oppression and such anti-foreigner stances – and then go to a tolerant state next door to preach ‘good’ to it. Surely, Ndaba, what can equate with Zim on all levels of governance depravity? Therefore start and end politically to assess the value of your own contribution.
2. SA hasn’t created ‘refugee camps’ – as it is quite entitled to do, and now mulls doing – and has allowed ILLEGAL foreigners to live in their community. But of all foreigners, look at the criminal activities of so-called Zimbabweans in SA! You have to be emotionally blinded not to see the consequences of all that on SA. Mugabe virtually condemned Zims last week – Zims changing SA ‘social system’!
3. Definitions! Problem with definitions is definitional ‘silo-ing’ – the idea that facts are fitted into a definition retrospectively and then they become that phenomenon via that process. In this case, the dynamics simply do not fit your characterisation. There are many variables, not least of which is the ARROGANCE and CHEST-BEATING of – you know who – even in situations where they are beggars, as we ALL are in SA, but in name only. People are not foolish – and SAfricans are not – in spite of what so-called Zimbabweans – you know who – think of them!
And why not define ‘Afrophobia’ too, so we can make our own judgments about what the phenomenon at play is? Just coming down with a characterisation hammer just isn’t it!
3. Careful about attacking, questioning, undermining institutions of other nations from assumed superior or more morally defensible positions – however justified you may feel. People don’t like it. And other nations are proud of their countries, except of course ZIMBABWEANS.
In my view, this article falls into the last point above, and is preaching to a narrow cohort of the converted – the very cohort that this article should be attacking, not the other way round. And it is on this point – on these sorts of behaviours – that Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans have come short on practically ALL fronts of behaviour as a state and ‘nation’
And the fact that you are hungry at your homestead, doesn’t grant you an automatic right to go next door and demand to be fed. Let alone, to set the rules and to start criticising your ‘host’, and in confrontational fashion. What is difficult to grasp there?? And does it matter whether you talking in the private sense or public sense???
The fact that SA may become an economic wasteland and political fowl run in the future is neither here nor there to how – as of now and in a situation of need – we should behave ourselves in other people’s countries. And by the way, for the same reasons, we are being kicked out from Mozambique, Botswana and further afield. Why focus just on SA? And the answer you’ll give is no answer at all, if you think about it!
Why not question everything that has made so-called Zimbabweans – and their State – that way in the first place?? To be so unwelcome outside??
During Apartheid all South Afican leaders ie Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma were in Zimbabwe, safe in Zimbabwe, exile in Zimbabwe, the South Africans must remember that Zimbabwe was part of their struggle and therefore must see zimbabweans as their brothers and sisters, South Africans that are frustrated with life in their own country and feel Zimbabweans are making a huge contribution to that effect, must swallow their pride and learn from Zimbabweans who are doing far greater things than them, South African must educate its people, train its people to sustain themselves through projects or self employment, note that Zimbabweans are coming from a background of indegenisation, their eyes are open for business for money rather, note that Zimbabwe got its independence way before South Africa and our people had the momentum when they moved into South Africa, note that when Zimbabwe recovers, a lot of Southerners are going to migrate upwards in search for a better life. One walking today will be driving tomorrow and visa versa hence the need to give each other a lift, its a global village and co – existence is intergral for development, it is the key factor. Love for one another is important regardless of nationality, race or creed. Setting a human being ablaze with a vehicle tyre is unimaginable and should be condemned by world wide, how do you have such a tourist destination, where humans are burnt to ashes, frightening.
During Apartheid all South Afican leaders ie Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma were in Zimbabwe, safe in Zimbabwe, exile in Zimbabwe, the South Africans must remember that Zimbabwe was part of their struggle and therefore must see zimbabweans as their brothers and sisters, South Africans that are frustrated with life in their own country and feel Zimbabweans are making a huge contribution to that effect, must swallow their pride and learn from Zimbabweans who are doing far greater things than them, South African must educate its people, train its people to sustain themselves through projects or self employment, note that Zimbabweans are coming from a background of indegenisation, their eyes are open for business for money rather, note that Zimbabwe got its independence way before South Africa and our people had the momentum when they moved into South Africa, note that when Zimbabwe recovers, a lot of Southerners are going to migrate upwards in search for a better life. One walking today will be driving tomorrow and visa versa hence the need to give each other a lift, its a global village and co – existence is intergral for development, it is the key factor. Love for one another is important regardless of nationality, race or creed. Setting a human being ablaze with a vehicle tyre is unimaginable and should be condemned by world wide, how do you have such a tourist destination, where humans are burnt to ashes, frightening.
During Apartheid all South Afican leaders ie Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma were in Zimbabwe, safe in Zimbabwe, exile in Zimbabwe, the South Africans must remember that Zimbabwe was part of their struggle and therefore must see zimbabweans as their brothers and sisters, South Africans that are frustrated with life in their own country and feel Zimbabweans are making a huge contribution to that effect, must swallow their pride and learn from Zimbabweans who are doing far greater things than them, South African must educate its people, train its people to sustain themselves through projects or self employment, note that Zimbabweans are coming from a background of indegenisation, their eyes are open for business for money rather, note that Zimbabwe got its independence way before South Africa and our people had the momentum when they moved into South Africa, note that when Zimbabwe recovers, a lot of Southerners are going to migrate upwards in search for a better life. One walking today will be driving tomorrow and visa versa hence the need to give each other a lift, its a global village and co – existence is intergral for development, it is the key factor. Love for one another is important regardless of nationality, race or creed. Setting a human being ablaze with a vehicle tyre is unimaginable and should be condemned by world wide, how do you have such a tourist destination, where humans are burnt to ashes, frightening.
haa siyai zvakadaro, chisi hachieri musi wacharimwa. vanofunga kuti nyika yavo icharamba yakanaka, hwedza ndinhasi. africans will have the last laugh, kupisa vanhu semarara here vakomana? rimwe gore vachauyawo kuAfrica, because kwavo kuEUROFRICA.
haa siyai zvakadaro, chisi hachieri musi wacharimwa. vanofunga kuti nyika yavo icharamba yakanaka, hwedza ndinhasi. africans will have the last laugh, kupisa vanhu semarara here vakomana? rimwe gore vachauyawo kuAfrica, because kwavo kuEUROFRICA.
haa siyai zvakadaro, chisi hachieri musi wacharimwa. vanofunga kuti nyika yavo icharamba yakanaka, hwedza ndinhasi. africans will have the last laugh, kupisa vanhu semarara here vakomana? rimwe gore vachauyawo kuAfrica, because kwavo kuEUROFRICA.