Iphithule Thembani KaMaphosa | ZAPU President Dumiso Dabengwa has finally explained why he did not serve in the Zimbabwe National army, dispelling the popular rumour that he sold out the national army and certain individuals he worked with during the liberation struggle, such as Lookout Vumindaba Masuku.
Speaking at the late Advocate Senda’s burial service at the Brethren in Christ Church in Bulawayo on Thursday which was attended by ZANU PF politburo and central committee members, Cabinet Ministers, the Military including Former PF ZAPU stalwart and now perceived ZANU PF political godmother in Matabeleland Angeline Masuku, Bulawayo Mayor and MPs from both MDCs and ZANU PF, Dr Dabengwa said he felt insulted by Mugabe who expected him to serve under Solomon Mujuru who was not only junior to him but a man he considered a sellout after having defected from ZAPU to ZANU after getting high quality military training with the mother party.
Dr Dabengwa, who during the liberation war was leader of Intelligence at ZAPU’s government in exile and its military department ZPRA, was equivalent to either the Minister of State Security or Chief of Combined Defense and Security Operations in a normal set up.
He told the congregating mourners that Solomon Mujuru was too junior for him to serve under as he was literally the one who trained the man under the banner of ZPRA. Soon after attaining high level training, Mujuru, who then was known as Rex Nhongo crossed floors to ZANU in a move that was, above everything else, tribally motivated.
Dr Dabengwa said had it not been nepotism and patronage on Robert Mugabe’s part, he could not have been given the choice to humiliate himself by serving under Mujuru whose character had dubious traces.
Dr Dabengwa said he is not apologetic about his decision not to serve in the national army as he could not allow Mugabe to humiliate him and insult his contribution to the liberation of the country. He told the gathering that Mugabe’s double faced character, contributed much to the decision he and other senior ZPRA cadres not to join the army.
Dr Dabengwa said Mugabe acted unprofessionally in a deliberate ploy to capture the state, amass and retain power and wealth through deployment of yes men in critical positions in state institutions, to a rousing applause from the congregants.
Doc don’t lie sir .
My colleague Gokona ,I think, had asked me how many splits zapu had had,and off hand I failed to give him….First iam not a walking super computer of knowledge…I forget,second,I claim no sole ownership to all information,but I claim what I state is the truth gotten from research of the best sources.
I had said 3 times…The first being when zanu left zapu .
It was the 2 other times that I couldn’t give him off hand….Now Doc’s integrity is in question.and hence Ndabezebe ziki below claims Doc is stupid and a liar.
I had thought the debate over ..But Doc never shys away from a fight..Never!.
The second split came in 1967…When groups known as “Chaminuka zapu,and “Mzilikazi zapu” emerged ,and disillusioned groups left…Some would say it wasn’t a split but a defection …But I will leave that to more educated people.
The 3rd split of zapu …Was when the led by James Dambadza Chikerema and George Nyandoro walked away from Zapu due to there disagreements with the group that supported Jason Ziyaphapha Moyo (JZ).The major reason was accusations of tribalism im zapu(the perfect party)….This saw many shonas leaving zapu for Zanu ….This ,if iam not mistaken,when Mujuru left for Zanu… But I stand corrected.Chikerema would later form Frolizi.
The Dengezi group of Bakalangas developed in Zapu…This was a group of Bakalangas who wanted to create a Bakalanga centre of power in Zapu and to wrestle power from shonas and Ndebeles….This is not a split but shows that zapu is NOT the perfect party we are made to believe.
In 1970, February 25, Jason Moyo ,wrote a document called ” observations of our struggle..Where he wrote on zapus indiscipline and tribalism and cruelty which were not being corrected since mid 1969. And accused the zapu war council of turning a blind eye to these.
To all the nay sayers read Sabelo.J.Ndlovu-Gatshenis book..,”Do Zimbabweans exist?”
I apologise,the issue here is not to discredit zapu…But as a person put in a corner…I had to state the record straight….
Zapu was just as corrupt and cruel and tribal as zanu…That is the truth.
Doc don’t lie sir .
My colleague Gokona ,I think, had asked me how many splits zapu had had,and off hand I failed to give him….First iam not a walking super computer of knowledge…I forget,second,I claim no sole ownership to all information,but I claim what I state is the truth gotten from research of the best sources.
I had said 3 times…The first being when zanu left zapu .
It was the 2 other times that I couldn’t give him off hand….Now Doc’s integrity is in question.and hence Ndabezebe ziki below claims Doc is stupid and a liar.
I had thought the debate over ..But Doc never shys away from a fight..Never!.
The second split came in 1967…When groups known as “Chaminuka zapu,and “Mzilikazi zapu” emerged ,and disillusioned groups left…Some would say it wasn’t a split but a defection …But I will leave that to more educated people.
The 3rd split of zapu …Was when the led by James Dambadza Chikerema and George Nyandoro walked away from Zapu due to there disagreements with the group that supported Jason Ziyaphapha Moyo (JZ).The major reason was accusations of tribalism im zapu(the perfect party)….This saw many shonas leaving zapu for Zanu ….This ,if iam not mistaken,when Mujuru left for Zanu… But I stand corrected.Chikerema would later form Frolizi.
The Dengezi group of Bakalangas developed in Zapu…This was a group of Bakalangas who wanted to create a Bakalanga centre of power in Zapu and to wrestle power from shonas and Ndebeles….This is not a split but shows that zapu is NOT the perfect party we are made to believe.
In 1970, February 25, Jason Moyo ,wrote a document called ” observations of our struggle..Where he wrote on zapus indiscipline and tribalism and cruelty which were not being corrected since mid 1969. And accused the zapu war council of turning a blind eye to these.
What i find funny is Gondoga doesn’t know Frolizi was Abel Muzorewas project ..Yet he speaks as if it is zapu.
To all nay sayers please read Sabelo.J.Ndlovu-Gatshenis book..,”Do Zimbabweans exist?”
I apologise,the issue here is not to discredit zapu…But as a person put in a corner…I had to state the record straight….
Zapu was just as corrupt and cruel and tribal as zanu…That is the truth.
Doc don’t lie sir .
My colleague Gokona ,I think, had asked me how many splits zapu had had,and off hand I failed to give him….First iam not a walking super computer of knowledge…I forget,second,I claim no sole ownership to all information,but I claim what I state is the truth gotten from research of the best sources.
I had said 3 times…The first being when zanu left zapu .
It was the 2 other times that I couldn’t give him off hand….Now Doc’s integrity is in question.and hence Ndabezebe ziki below claims Doc is stupid and a liar.
I had thought the debate over ..But Doc never shys away from a fight..Never!.
The second split came in 1967…When groups known as “Chaminuka zapu,and “Mzilikazi zapu” emerged ,and disillusioned groups left…Some would say it wasn’t a split but a defection …But I will leave that to more educated people.
The 3rd split of zapu …Was when the led by James Dambadza Chikerema and George Nyandoro walked away from Zapu due to there disagreements with the group that supported Jason Ziyaphapha Moyo (JZ).The major reason was accusations of tribalism im zapu(the perfect party)….This saw many shonas leaving zapu for Zanu ….This ,if iam not mistaken,when Mujuru left for Zanu… But I stand corrected.Chikerema would later form Frolizi.
The Dengezi group of Bakalangas developed in Zapu…This was a group of Bakalangas who wanted to create a Bakalanga centre of power in Zapu and to wrestle power from shonas and Ndebeles….This is not a split but shows that zapu is NOT the perfect party we are made to believe.
In 1970, February 25, Jason Moyo ,wrote a document called ” observations of our struggle..Where he wrote on zapus indiscipline and tribalism and cruelty which were not being corrected since mid 1969. And accused the zapu war council of turning a blind eye to these.
What i find funny is Gondoga doesn’t know Frolizi was Abel Muzorewas project ..Yet he speaks as if it is zapu.
To all nay sayers please read Sabelo.J.Ndlovu-Gatshenis book..,”Do Zimbabweans exist?”
I apologise,the issue here is not to discredit zapu…But as a person put in a corner…I had to state the record straight….
Zapu was just as corrupt and cruel and tribal as zanu…That is the truth.
OK sir .
Doc stop exposing your stupidity. You disregard what Dabengwa is telling you and still have the verve to say your facts are in your laptop. You mean you value secondary source of information at the expense of a primary one. You better shutup to avoid further humiliation.
What has, Mujuru, Tsvangarai,or makoni said…
Mujuru up to now hasn’t said anything worth the paper it’s written on….What secrets has she said?…. There is a difference between revealing state secrets…And being petty…Saying so and so killed so and so is revealing a secret…
Saying I lost the job I wanted sob sob ..Is being petty.
Qualified or not, an opposition member has no claim to say it was my job…IT WASN’T YOURS ,WRITE A MEMOIR AND TELL YOUR STORIES.
If Mugabe was so evil as he said…He should have never served in the government for 7 years with unprincipled people.
Lol
Thats not the point(experience). Pple with less experience can be promoted to be above those who even trained them. Does it mean u throw toys out of pram? U hv no facts coz Dabengwa is saying l didnt serve coz l wud hv been under my once junior, right? This has nothing to do with Zanu or Zapu but military reality.
OK ,sir
Look at you and your biases; I mentioned Tswangirayi and Trump as examples, but you have chosen to go to town on Tswangirayi; losing the numb or the substance of the discussion all together. You have said nothing of value as a result. Yaah neeh? Some of these Shonas – I surrender!!
Lets agree to differ. Presidential candidate or not; according to me you are wrong; so lets stop wasting each others time trying to convince each other.
Dabengwa is right and you are wrong. You will never convince me otherwise. I rest my case!!
But you are now saying exactly what I have been saying all along. You are simply expanding further into “spoken Shona” and “written Shona”.
Dont forget to remember that there was no writing of African languages before the white Missionaries. So what existed then were the dialects, what you call “spoken Shona”.
The “written Shona”; which is the standardised Shona as crafted by the Missionaries is what I am referring to as very Zezuru inclined.
Its just that for reasons best known to yourself, you prefer to use the terms “spoken Shona”, where I refer to Chikaranga, Chimanyika etc.
As to regional differences; that is obvious, its not even worth the mention.
With all its internal and external challenges, definitely ZAPU was better than ZANU PF. There is no debate about that; many Shonas agree, maybe except you.
I said tell me who those Ngunis are instead of claiming things. Name them – I want to know whether you know what you mean by a Nguni. Itherwise if you dont know; ask mfowethu and stop misleading the reading public!!
No. You support ZANU PF; but only where Matebeleland and its people are the issue; not where it concerns Shonas. That is the truth. Please stop with the lies and pretences. You are a tribalist!!
Sigh,don’t worry Doc is patient.Writing a memoir or autobiography is one thing ,most people usually write those little dirty things that they couldn’t Say in a public forum.
My point is…Dr Dabengwa,is a presidential candidate…Do you understand that.Potentially he might seat on the Zimbabwean throne.
So there are certain issues or things that a presidential candidate must say or refrain from Saying… Because he must maintain his composure sir.
I can say f***k you… Because iam not in a race for the presidency….His life is always being fine tooth combed….
For Tsvangarai to go on stand and cry about pecks Mugabe doesn’t want to give him from his stint as PM reduces his worth….Do you get that Mr .
Let him write a memoir then if he has a chest full of issues…But in public we must respect him …And not hear him cry that Mujuru was once my junior..Bhoo Bhoo sob sob ..Like a bitch.
Unfortunately I am allergic to keeping quiet.
You are entitled to your views …If you think iam a tribalist…OK,I can’t say I will lose sleep because of your views.
You got him right. ThereI also said them same thing. He is a typical Shona ZANU PFer in disguise. I dont know why he has to disguise himself, as if its illegal to support ZANU PF. Just check his contributions.
On anything that has to do with Matebeleland, he and many Shona tribalists of his ilk are always on the side of ZANU PF, under the flimsy excuse of telling the truth. All because they have been the biggest beneficiaries of Mugabe’s Gukurahundi policies in Mthwakazi. Policies that have discriminated against the people of the region and chased them away into neighbouring countries in search of greener pastures.
Should the matter concern Shonas and their suffering under Mugabe; suddenly he is on the side if the MDC-T.
To hell with this national this and that; and unity this and that, nonsense. We always see through all these Shona tribalist disguises!!
Dabengwa is an opposition politician in Zim; he has a right of revealing everything he knows about Mugabe and ZANU PF to us the electorate.
This “crying” you are talking about is a figment of your imagination.
People are writing Memoires everyday about their role in Zim’s political history. The only difference is that Dabengwa gas only been verbalising his own narratives on public fora; he has not reduced anything to writing. Even after the death of Rex, he did say something about their relationship – whats wrong with that?
Tswangirayi wrote one and he hasnt been long in politics; Cephas Msipha recently wrote his own narrative; why dont you have a problem with that?
Mbudzi also wrote his own account and still plenty more will be written in future by both Shona and Mthwakazi politicians.
Keep quiet, you are a tribalist; a wolf in sheep’s clothing!!
Firstly I never claimed to be a walking super computer or encyclopedia…so if I forget please forgive me… Forgetting and not knowing are different things.
Again I can’t give you what you want simply because iam not with my laptop ,where such information is…Do you get it?
Sir when a group,even of 2 leave to form there own party ..It’s called a split…some splits are earth shattering and some are just breezes…But a split is a split.
Elton Mangoma,Biti left MDC with 20 or so people ….And even now there members don’t even fill a large room…But sir they were splits.
So long as people decide to leave and start there own thing…It’s called a split .
How much is a split supposed to account for?
A defection sir ,is when people leave and join another existing party…Thats a defection
A split is ,even if it’s 3 people, when members leave and create a separate new party.Savvy!
Even if those were mere defections..Can you please tell us how many before 1980…Not after 1980…Defected to zapu from zanu?.
To show us zapu was a well of excellence…Please tell us the group’s that left zanu for zapu… Before 1980…So if people were leaving zapu …It shows something was very wrong, with zapu.
What is my depth?
It seems all you do is insult a seemingly calm and responding party….So you call insults which are kindergarten like the deep depths?.
Grow up man….
When I say true Shona sir…It’s difficult to explain but i will try.
Each shona clan has its unique way of speaking Shona,its own accent ,terms etc…Go to mutare ,the Manicas believe there way of speaking Shona is the best way..” chishona chaicho” hence the reason why I said zezurus,karangas ,and anaSamanyika say ours is the true Shona……
What you meant to say was the common language now called Shona never existed….Shona languages existed but as clan languages not as a unified language..now known as Shona
When karanga o level students write ,they don’t write Shona in the zezuru dialect ,but in their own mother tongue karanga…But I do admit the exam paper might be more zezuru language inclined …If that’s what you mean when you say zezuru dominants
Iam not trying to hide anything…But explaining what’s on the ground….
Karanga like all shonas dialects has smaller dialects In it.. Depending on regional circumstances…Eg karanga language is very diverse…the karanga spoken in chibi ,zaka and ngundu is different from karanga spoken in Bikita,gutu ..Which has more zezuru tones and terms……
Shona is not largely zezuru…Sir .It depends which Shona you refer too….The written Shona perhaps is more inclined to zezuru…But the spoken is not…..People retain their shonas clan dialects …But adopt a new shona dialect according to the area they settle in….If a karanga lives in Mutare ..Some words will be changed to chimanyika ….It’s natural law at work
If you are not sure what you are saying, then zip it up bro. If you cant name it, don’t shame it.
You seem to confuse a split with defections. the two are not the same. it is like saying Zanu split when Shamuyarira formed FROLIZ or when Chikerema left. NO NO buthi those are mere defections of the disgruntled. A split is much more significant in terms of both general membership and leadership quorums. You are just a Zanu PF sympathizer obviously swimming out of your depth.
These matters are beyond your grasp.
Debate with zapu people or matebeles is often turned into whether someone is anti Ndebele or pro zanu.
Not everything is black and whites…We also have purple ,a mixture of colours/ ideas.
I actually hate zanu..And Even hate what some of my fellow shonas do…But it doesn’t mean that if I disagree with you iam against you sir or pro zanu…
He said zapu was perfect sir , covertly,…When he says ” zapu was a house for everyone …,we all did belong….Mugabe and mngangwa divided us…”
So Saying zapu was a house for everyone is not saying it was perfect?.
No sir I am not saying zanu was better than zapu…No sir….I am arguing I’m principle and with moral standards..Not emotions.
My emotions say I must hate zanu to the core , Everyone in it must die ,and nothing good comes from zanu….But that’s a biased and highly emotive response.
Everyone here says zapu this ,zapu that…So do you also want me to join the band wagon of cheerleaders and praise singers who are blinded by emotions and hate….
I merely pointed out Dr Dabengwa wasn’t supposed to cry about a post he actually didn’t even deserve to get… Because he was part of zapu..an opposition party which the evil Mugabe mercifully donated ministerial posts too.
How can a grown man say I can’t serve under a sellout ,just because Mujuru left zapu …was Mujuru supposed to die in Zapu?…So just because zapu trained Mujuru he was supposed to be eternally grateful?
Man ,we have companies that sent us to overseas institutions for training, they will give me a 3-5 year binding contract.. Thereafter I can leave ,so if my superior from my previous company that sent me to training will say he can’t serve under me , because I left his company or he trained me?…How mature is that?.
Nguni is nguni sir .. Bakalanga are Bakalangas…Were are you getting lost
Sir…I neither supported zanu nor said zapu was bad or inferior.I merely pointed out that a lie is a lie from whatever angle.
We can’t seat idly whilst Tsvangarai or Dabengwa tells lies and say ..Aaah its opposition so it’s a less of a lie….No sir,iam not of that stock.
If you don’t even know zapu split a further 2 times after Zanu left..Then do your research then come back to me..
Just for your information…After zanu left ,in the 1970s ..the first group left and joined zanu,they were mostly shonas…So they don’t have a separate party…
The second group did form a party…But the party quickly died off…forgive me I forgot the name of the party off hand…but I can if you want it.So sir facts are facts we don’t have to sugar coat things just because it’s zapu.
Hahahah…Sir…I never said Dabengwa betrayed anyone..eg masuku et al ,where did I say that?.
The point of nepotism I might agree with and I have agreed with….But I still say ,it’s the President elects decision to appoint and disappoint whom he will.Dabengwa should have stuck with that…And not cry about not receiving a job that was given to a once junior…That’s just petty..No matter how you argue.
You are spreading lies yourself and arguing out of context of what Dabengwa said.
It is pure fiction that Zapu split twice after the formation of Zanu in 1963. If it is true tell us what was the name of the other 2 splinter parties? Lies.
Zapu remained and organised under the leadership of Joshua mqabuko Nkomo till 1980 and through 1985 elections where Zapu won all seats in Matebeland, Bulawayo and some parts of midlands.
JZ was assassinated by a parcel bomb, a method well known to have been CIO Ken Fower and Apartheid South africa s favourite assassination method. There was no power struggle in Zapu that supports ur wild allegations. In Zambia, Zapu was very organised and professional with clear command structures that is why Kaunda trusted Nkomo and not Zanu. The only people who were killing each other were in Zanu especially just before and after Chitepo was assassinated. It was so chaotic that even Ngwena disowned Zanu declaring that he was a Zambian citizen and while at University of Zambia he refused to give logistical support to his Zanu colleagues.
It is a fact that Rex was trained by Zapu and it was the Zipra command that chose who to send for training. Resources were scarce but that Zapu chose to send Rex a shona, overseas for training is proof of professionalism and meritocracy. That is why Dabengwa and many in Zapu felt betrayed by his defection .
The fact that Rec defected to Zanu and quictly rose to be Tongogara”s deputy is proof of the superiority of Zipra and its training.
The point DD is making is that in Geneva it was agreed by both Zanu and Zapu that the elections were to be fought as a united Patriotic Front hence the prefix PF that was adopted by both parties. However for no reasons but love of power Mugabe surprised Nkomo by unleashing a tribal campaign and chose to stand alone. Hence in Zapu Harare became known as bambazonke!
I also dont get your point of DD betraying Lookout Masuku coz Dabengwa, Mohadi, Akim Ndlovu and Masuku were arrested together and tortured and incacerated for years by Mugabe and Ngwena. It was Mugabe and Ngwena who authorised the tortures that led to Masuku s death coz they refused to release him. Masuku was not the only victim, there was Captain Nleya et al.
As Dabengwa states, it is the appointment of stooges on tribal and patronage terms and not on meritocracy and experience that has led to the decay in Zimbabwe.
Now you know. Spread true history not Zanu propaganda please.
I have just gone through James Ketelo’s contribution and I really have been hard pressed to find where he says ZAPU or Dabengwa were perfect.
All I am reading is a contribution by a man who without mention ZANU by name is, in relative terms comparing two liberation struggle parties and seeing one as better than the other.
All armed struggles have had human rights abuses and divisions after divisions. I am actually struggling to identify those Ngunis in ZAPU who you claim were fighting with Khalangas. I am not even sure you know who Ngunis are.
Nevertheless, no matter how much you can defend them, Zim has never had as evil a political party and leadership as that of ZANU PF and Mugabe.
There is nothing sincere about anything they say and do. Maybe to you, since you are Shona they are good.
Shona is largely Zezuru. I said Standard Shona was crafted by Missionaries from around Zezuru regions not Shonas in Zezuru regions.
There is no such a thing as true Shona since a language called Shona never existed in the past; even the name itself. Shona is like standardising Zulu, Mthwakazi Ndebele, Mpumalanga SA Ndebele, Swati, Xhosa using Zulu as a basis and then calling it Nguni; yet essentially its largely Zulu in another name.
I know Karanga; it is different from Zezuru as there are elements of Nguni influence in it. Karangas talk of goni, Zezurus talk of mukova. There are many such words. Even ChiManyika is different. You can never hide or lie about this to us uMthwakazi. Thats the beauty about learning languages and the advantage we have over you Shonas.
Yes you are correct to say that karangas are more in terms of population than zezurus….i was using old stats.
But ,to say Shona was crafted by shonas who lived in zezuru territories is not entirely true.
By 1910 there were 4 new testaments in zezuru,karanga,manyika and ndau.
In 1928 ,the Rhodesian government agreed to finance education,and the crafting of a common Shona venecular….
Professor C.Doke , professor of Bantu languages at witswatersrand in SA was called to assist in 1929….By 1931 he and others had finalised this.The languages they used were zezuru,karanga ,ndau and manyika….I cannot voucher to say they used mostly zezuru…The book that I have doesn’t say that…I however says ,they took learned shonas 1 from zezuru,1 karanga,1 ndau,1 manyika.
What you say that Shona is largely zezuru is a lie….If you go to each shona area ..They speak what they consider true Shona…..The karangas can’t be dissuaded that their tone is not true Shona….And they are right….What is true Shona anyway?
To each shona there’s is true Shona… Remember though we are largely the same, shonas differ in terms of certain times,sounds and terms…But it generally is the same.
The reason why it appears zezuru dominates amongst shonas is because of Harare… Everything happens in Harare…TV shows,etc soost people tend to speak as zezurus over time which is just natural law at work.
Yes petty politicians like Mugabe will zero in on Tsvangarais face or womanising…But the question is what has happened….
The more petty politicians attack Morgan the more people hate Mugabe and love Tsvangarai….
How many times have we been told he is ugly..Or a skirt chaser…..We the electrolate have shown them the middle finger all the time.
Tsvangarai has never said anything petty…he could have, but has so far remained composed.
So if I say anything negative against Dr Dabengwa..Im being tribal ?…So Godfather Dr Dabengwa must not be questioned or criticized?.
And you wonder why you guys are always on the sidines….
Personally I support Tsvangarai,everyday people critise him and his supporters defend him ..But never do we label anyone tribal because they don’t support Tsvangarai…its a shame.
You lie sir.
Stop pretending zapu was perfect,tell that in the pub.
After zapu and zanu split….How many other splits did zapu have?… Answer: 2 more,what was the reason for these 2 further splits?
Answer: tribal war , between ngunis and Bakalanga cadres ,and also tribalism as some were being sidelined in Zapu.
Were is Alfred Mangena sir?..He died a zapu member,was he not assassinated.
What happened in Zambia sir…Were zapu leadership tourtured zapu members and even killed some.
People love lies…Let Mugabe face his demons ..And they are many …But lets not say Dr Dabengwa or his zapu are angels ..Just because we hate zanu or Mugabe.
Mugabe must face his crimes ,and his crimes alone…Stop Saying if you cant impregnate your wife it’s zanu …Let Mugabe face his own demons.
If zapu or Dr Dabengwa are soo nationalistic..Why don’t they venture outside Matabeleland?.
Dr Dumiso Dabengwa.
One of the only true revolutionaries left, true freedom fighter.
But where is Rex Nhongo today?
The Indipendance of the country was hijacked by Mugabe and Mnangagwa.
Of all the evil things that previously happened it was to protect Mugabe and on the long term pave the way for Mnangagwa to be the next president.
Everything was well calculated.
Long live comrade DD I salute you.
Zapu was a house for everyone , all tribes we did belong .
Only Mugabe and Mnangagwa’s dubious means divided us.
I dont agree. Mthwakazi doesnt have the numbers to change the electoral fortunes of the country; we dont have the political power – the President is Shona; the first VP is Shona; the Airforce is under a Shona; the defence force overall is under a Shona; prisons are under a Shona; the Poluce are under a Shona; intelligence is under a Shona; all parastatals are run by Shonas; all western based Zim embassies are run by Shonas – Mthwakazi neither has economic power.
So, the problem in Zim is Shona. Your numbers are not just for bragging.
Please take responsibility as the so called majority. Just because you have created problems in the country with your voting choices and because it now suits you; you want to equalise the blame; but everyday you flaunt your majority status non stop. No ways!!
You are wrong. Appointing a relative if he is the best suitably qualified candidate among other candidates is not necessarily nepotism. Nepotism involves favours of sorts, because one is a relative, qualified or not. In other words, if one is appointed because he is a relative, even if he is qualified but not necessarily the best candidate, then thats nepotism.
In politics; anything you can throw at your opponent will do.
There is nothing like petty or lowering oneself. Why were ZANU PF zeroing on Tswangirayi’s womanising; his face and his lack of a degree? The Democrats on Trump gropping women and his hair style, etc.
Please give us a break. You are a tribalist. Period!
He is not crying about anything my man. You seem to forget that Dabengwa is in the opposition. He is revealing the secrets of his opponents, just like Mujuru is doing. Tswangirayi and Makoni have also done so in the past.
Well; I am sorry. As much as I support the truth; I cant think of anything truthful coming from ZANU PF, unless you are being creative on their behalf!!
Shona is predominantly Zezuru. Unified Shona was crafted by white missionaries who lived in the Zezuru areas in the North and were more familiar with Zezuru. The majority in numbers are Karangas, not Zezurus.
There was no secessionist talk during the struggle. Had it been the case; secessionists would gace easily succeeded then because everyone was armed.
Mugabe and ZANU were nothing then; very disorderly and militarily weaker than ZIPRA.
Federalism started with Chief Khayisa Ndiweni. Tribal infighting was there in both ZIPRA/ZAPU and ZANLA/ZANU. Nothing to write home about.
The Ndebele are only guilty of past historical events. Its the Shona who are largely guilty of the present!!
Keep telling yourself that,shonas are the problem…..maybe if you continue telling yourself it will be true.
Everyday Wake up,stretch and say … Shonas are the problem,not us Ndebeles….Repeat it 3 times a day,365 days ,366 in a leap year …For 5 years…It will become true.
Brother we all are to blame, shonas and Ndebeles
OK ,thank you for your observation..I will see a psychiatrist.
Happy new year
Then you have a mentality problem.
Who am I ?…My gosh..Iam the electrolate, some one who can vote him away from the political oblivion he is in.
Iam only showing that as a presidential candidate he shouldn’t lower himself to petty issues….
If he is so moral and on a high horse why accept hand out posts from an immoral person such as Mugabe?.Why not resign?…Why accept posts from a man who is bent on humiliating you?
I never said there are lies…But I said he shouldn’t lower himself to petty issues.
You can only solve a problem if you can define it and its source of origin.
Its you the Shonas who like dominating people, even in their homes who should change.
You are the problem; not us!!
Who are you to say he
is not justified to speak about it in public? Mercy post; did he say he wanted it? Would he not survive without it?
Whats so secretive about this?
Dabengwa is right; he is revealing a lot of ZANU PF’s past that today has landed us in the situation we are in; which you Shonas are all crying about; for that matter. I dont understand what it us that you are protecting here.
If you cant even diagnose the origins of your current problems; how the hell do you expect to solve them?
Dabengwa is simply explaining to the public why he never joined the army. There are no lies there and there is nothing to hide.
Your are just being ZANU PF; thats all.
Forget your nonsensical unity. on this one; you simply have no leg to stand on.
The point is ,sir, Dr Dabengwa should not cry about it nationally as he is doing,it only debases him .
Again,he is a presidential candidate, he shouldn’t be seen whining like a school boy about a post that was never his ,which was given legally , although not morally,to another person
Again saying he hated Mujuru because he was a sellout is childish…So he hated Mujuru just because he left for Zanu ..Is he serious ?..The title of the article is I couldn’t work with a sellout.
Come on man, you seem mature …How can you say what he says makes sense.
I have and had respect for Dr Dabengwa.. Because unlike most leaders he didn’t run him mouth…now it seems the gates of his mouth are wide open ,maybe its age .
A national leader sir must maintain his composure.
No brother, here shonas or zanu said nothing…But should we allow a lie just because it is against zanu .
When zanu is wrongfully crucified should we not point out the injustice…..
You are always preaching about democracy,about American justice..So are you saying the great Democrat Mr Truth now cannot defend truth or denounce lies just because it’s zanu?
Search your soul brother.Every person, deserves justice .
I hate zanu and it’s corrosive system just as anybody…But when some zanu person says truth ,shall we deny it’s truth ? What type of a people shall we be then?.
Who said Mugabe had no right to appoint who ever he wanted?
Are you trying to tell me you have never heard people at your work complaining after they have been overlooked?
Does that mean those appointing have no right to appoint who ever they choose to appoint? Now you are really being silly!!!
Change starts with you and me,brother,not them…..Change Zimbabwe,and it will change.
I want to see my grandkids speaking Ndebele, having Ndebele Friends…Isn’t that good?
My point is he is not even justified to speak of it in public… Because it was a mercy post he was getting from the governing party.
And for you to support such ignorance,is sad….I can’t say the dad next door who mercifully offered me cookies gave me less than his son….Really
Please brother..In our road to a new Zimbabwe,lets not defend lies just because of emotions of loyalty.
Please listen.
Zapu in 1980 lost the election.
Mugabe decided to give posts to the opposition zapu , why I don’t know.
Mugabe had the right to appoint whoever he wanted, qualified or not.. Zanu or zapu.
It doesn’t mean just because I was your teacher at high school,that if you are appointed education Minister..I must say I can’t be led by you.
If he saw Mugabe as sooo immoral and unfair,he could have refused the government posts all together, why did he accept appointments up until 1987?….Why accept posts from an immortal man,why not resign,Vele?
Iam not tribalistic,but just because zanu is evil doesn’t mean I have to accept everything about them is wrong.
I/ we can’t agree to lies or strokes of make believe just because it is against zanu…No,
I stand for truth… Irregardless of persons..And so should we all.
Again,it doesn’t mean if a person is against what you say he is zanu.
Open war in the sense of family infighting; like you have many Shonas born of Ndebele mothers. Thats what I am talking about. Not what you are thinking. Nobody likes being dominated in their own home!!
But did Dabengwa say ZANU OF was not entitled to appoint who they wanted?
All he is saying is that he refused to be under someone he considered a junior – end of story. Anyone in any job has every right to do that; you included.
So whats your problem? Had he taken the matter to Court, I would understand you because that would mean he would have felt entitled and had been trying to force the hand of ZANU PF.
He never forced anyone – so what is your beef?
Is expressing his views or trying to explain the reasons for not joining the army a crime?
I think you are not normal upstairs.
I agree with everything except 2 points.
1.The current Shona is a summation of 3 Shona languages, zezuru,manyika and Karanga.missionaries in 1921 to 1956 created the unified language we now use to write and speak with….It is a common mistake amongst people,me too at one time,to assume that the shona we use is predominantly zezuru…It’s not
They wanted to mix Bakalanga with the other Shona languages.. Because Bakalanga is just like shona but found it conflicting with the rest of Shona languages…
It only appears zezuru dominates, because the zezurus are more and they are in the capital city , because the capital is in zezuru territories so most people are zezurus…But to us the shonas we can tell wether a person is karanga or manica .It’s just because of the capital city..so as a result most other shonas will end up speaking like zezurus..It’s just natural.
At one time I,a zezuru, stayed in Masvingo for 2 years I ended up speaking as a karanga.
So I hope I answered you.
2.You are wrong about Separatists or successionists not being there in the 1970s…
As i said Alfred Mangena was assassinated by zapu allegedly because he didn’t support a unified Zimbabwe state.
Zapu was split due to Tribalism.after zanu left ,zapu further split 2 more times…And the reason was war between Bakalanga and ngunis who were fighting for dominance.
In 1980…There was a song that women sang in praise of Nkomo and encouraging him to move the capital to Bulawayo,why?…
Gukurahundi was only the fruit of hatred between shonas and Ndebeles….
I will say this ,the reason why successionists were quiet was because they expected to win in 1980…
Both Ndebeles and shonas are guilty.we have alot of change to do
Of course he never argued that he was entitled. That is why he refused to be in the army.
Its your ZANU PF mentality that is telling you he was entitled. In any job, you and me and everyone else will complain that they are more qualified than so and so, for a particular post.
There are many blacks who complain that they are more qualified than their white bosses; even Zimbabweans in the UK or South Africa – countries which are not theirs.
So why you read that to mean a sense of entitlement, is beyond me; unless its your usual hidden Shona ZANU PF tribalism doing the talking.
Please; some of us are not children; we are sick and tired of your pretences, yet the usual Shona tribalism and the ZANU PF mentality oozes out of all of your oriffices.
Its not compulsory not to be tribalistic – just be yourself and stop with the pretences!!
I do blame ZANU PF, but you cant ignore the fact that many Shonas have been their foot soldiers. Its Shonas who are shouting in those Youtube videos against Nkomo; calling him unprintable words.
They have been the implementers who took advantage of ZANU PF policies of favouring Shonas in Mthwakazi. This is the reason for the different political dynamics.
I never said people should not speak their languages. All I did was to explain the background to why and how Shonas are today able speak their Shona without anyone struggling to understand them in Mthwakazi; yet one can not do the same with Ndebele in Shona regions. Many Shonas, particularly those born after 1980 and the 1990s are quite arrogantly oblivious to this.
As to the issues of a Khalanga party etc; again the dynamics are different from Shona regions. You are not comparing apples to apples.
Since the founding of Rhodesia as a modern State, whites had always had some grudging respect for the Nguni, hence promoted their languages.
Matebeleland has always had a variety of languages, but whites prefered siNdebele. That is no one’s fault really but of course the modern Ngunis have always been conveniently blamed; yet no one us lrepared to explain why Robert Mugabe a Shona and Joshua Nkomo a non Nguni both agreed at Lancaster House to continue with the two-languages policy. No Nguni person was involved in this and Zim politics as it stands today virtually has no Ngunis to talk about. I have never heard a Khumalo who is a Minister in Zim, ever since I was born
When the missionaries sat down to unify languages, it was easier in Mashonaland since their dialects were much closer to each other.
Because the Missionaries were based mainly in Salisbury and the surrounds, they used Zezuru as a basis for unified Shona; which was then imposed on every Shona region.
In Mthwakazi, because of their admiration of the Nguni, they simply ignored the other languages and imposed siNdebele on everyone.
There has therefore been a long standing gripe by many communities in Matebeleland to have their languages recognised, unlike in Shona regions.
As to why and how the Karangas, Manyikas and others are quite happy to have their languages/dialects ignored and are quite willing to be incorporated into the broad Shona definition; which, in fact is 90% Zezuru is for them to answer.
Well, in Matebeleland; that is not so. Therein lies the difference.
I never knew or heard of secession issues when I grew up. And I was relatively grown up in the 1970s; so this hush hush of yours is to me a myth.
The only time talk that could be construed as close to that started doing the rounds was when Chief Khayisa Ndiweni came up with his Federal Party. This was also a direct result of the tribal politics that was now in play during Muzorewa’s UANC internal Settlement government.
Chief Khayisa started promoting the concept of a Federal State and had been trying to pursuade Joshua Nkomo to abandon the struggle, dump Robert Mugabe and settle with Ian Smith over a Federal State. Nkomo refused arguing that he was a National leader, not a tribal or regional leader; and that he would not be coming back to Rhodesia without Robert Mugabe.
Of course, he lived to regret all this after Mugabe let him down, tribalised Zim politics into “Nkomo’s country” and “my country”; as he argued to Lord Soames, justifying his making Mashonaland a no-go area for ZAPU campaigning.
As they say; the rest is history!!!$
Yes most shonas are domineering and ignorant, however open war and hate will only cost you more.
All we need is unity and tolerance
Why even give him prominence ???
No sir ,you misunderstood me.
I didn’t say they targeted me because iam Shona,you said I might have Ndebele relatives and I said I don’t know of any Ndebele relatives that I might have.
But I said I have traumatic experiences with Ndebeles in SA.
No sir.You are getting it all wrong.
First, nepotism doesn’t only mean hiring relatives who are unqualified…no sir , nepotism is simply giving an unfair advantage to ones relatives.. Wether they are qualified or not….if you assist me to get a job as your brother …That is nepotism,whether or not iam qualified.
So white people and Ndebeles together are nepotistic….The fact that the unqualified relatives steal is a consequence of nepotism.during nepotism,the relatives will steal ,or manipulate the system because they are feared and use the relative muscle.
Sir please stop being petty…Was it not a Ndebele who ran down zifa and psmas?
Was it not a Ndebele who created Aippa,and other draconian laws?…
How much did Obert Mpofu steal as mines minister….
It only appears shonas are more nepotistic because they are everywhere,and many more than Ndebeles.
For any example of nepotism or corruption a Shona did I can also give you an example of a Ndebele being nepotistic or corrupt
Being Ndebele does not prove they targeted you specifically because you are Shona. Can you prove all the people they target are always Shona or its all in your head?’
They like dominating; and when they cant have their way with their habits of dominating with their uncles; they start hating. Shonas should know that their domineering tendencies stop at the gate of a Mthwakazi’s home; otherwise its open war and hatred!!
Dr Dabengwa wasn’t even entitled to a single post…Even his stint at the central intelligence was given by zanu to him…They were not duty bound to give him that post.
It’s like a neighbora child that I had volunteered to help out crying that I gave my kids more ,yet the gifts I gave home were at my benevolence.
So he must stop crying like a baby .
Blood is thicker than water doesnt mean appointing incompetent ill qualified relatives. Whites appoint qualified relatives who dont steal, but grow the business. If the appointee is not qualified or not yrt ready, they train and support the individual until he can stand on his own. That is why everything they touch flourishes, whilst everything Shonas touch falls to pieces. Evidence of this abounds everywhere – where is ZISCOSTEEL today? Where is the NRZ?
When a Mthwakazi ran ZESA in its earlier Moto Muzhinji days, it flourished. Even the NRZ under Mabhena in the 1980s. But once the Shonas took over – its been disaster after disaster all the way!!
Yes you are right ,in 1980 Dr Dabengwa was more experienced,I don’t deny that..My bone with the article is:
Zanu won in 1980 ,and the zanu led government… The zanu led government had within rights to appoint whom they wanted.
It was Mugabe’s discretion to appoint whom he wanted….Dr Dabengwa cannot complain to another parties president that he favoured his own …Yet we all know zapu ministers were only given posts at the mercy of Mugabe ….Just like now
Zanu , whether by election fraud, runs the government…Zanu appointed only zanu ministers…And it’s within there rights , hoever should zanu seek to give MDC ministerial posts,MDC can’t say why didn’t mugabe appoint me there or here yet there appointment is at the mercy of zanu…Just like when zapu was given posts in 1980
I hope you understand
Wena what have you gained? If you are no loser?
So according to you; you have made sense in your contribution? This is the best you can do by way of an intelligent constructive contribution? Shame!!
At independence; Mujuru was definitely less experienced than Dabengwa. ZANLA training was entirely guarilla training whereas ZIPRA was more conventional; in other words their training was more in line with that of a normal army. I dont understand what you are arguing about. The training you are talking about came later after the unified army had been established. All of you people are just ZANU PF through and through. You have no facts!!
Lol,if most people who hate Ndebeles as you said have Ndebele relatives,doesn’t that say bad about you as a people?
Why do most people who grew up with Ndebeles as relatives hate ?…You should do an introspection as a people.
I don’t expect the politics to be the same ,no.You guys were wrongfully traumatized,however gukurahundi or not , matebeleland still has wowed issues.as I said have you ever heard of a zezuru political party…Yet we hear of Bakalanga political parties….What gukurahundi caused the Bakalangas to want to form their own separate political entity?
Did gukurahundi force the Byo city council to say Harare is responsible for high hiv stats?
Yes I agree that the playing field has been tilted in favour of shonas ,but it is not the common men’s doing..I did force Ndebeles to talk Shona, although for me as a Shona it is now easier to travel Zimbabwe because almost anywhere people understand Shona,but it is not of my doing.
You are wrong to say shonas speak Ndebele” and of all places in matebeleland”…That is wrong .A person Ndebele or Shona must be able to speak there language anywhere , isn’t it our country..so why should I be afraid to speak shona in matebeleland and why shouldn’t a Ndebele speak Ndebele in mashonaland?
That is grandmother talk sir , caused by zanu.Lets not support it.
Again you are wrong sir.In the 1970 and 70s there was talk of succession..But it was hush hush …For example Alfred Mangena was allegedly killed he didn’t want a united Zimbabwe,why did zanu and zapu split ?..It’s just that the talk has gained more momentum.
In 1980 why did the the matebeles want J.nkomo to move the capital city from Harare to Bulawayo if he won the presidency?…That was all Separatists and Tribalism…But it was hush hush,with shonas and Ndebeles trying to be more clever than the other.
Amy person who says the Ndebele don’t belong in Zimbabwe is daydreaming,where should Ndebeles go?…This is the reason why iam advocating for peace and reconciliation..Not Separatists.
Stop blaming the shonas ,but blame zanu….And the system.
Change doesn’t start with the other person,no sir ,but by you…You must change and you can change the whole wordl
Thats nonsense coz with his military experience he shud know that Officers are trained by non commisioned officers who after the get commisioned will be under their command. It also common that sometimes u will hv juniors rise thru ranks higher than once seniors.
Which ZANU PF person speaks the truth? There is nothing truthful about ZANU PF. Everything is just about power at all costs.
Zim would not be in the state it is in today had there been any honesty in any form in that party. You are always tempted to side with them over anything to do with Matebeleland, because they are Shona and you are Shona. We know you people.
Yours is indeed all about selective justice when it comes to Matebeleland. This is why today we have people out there supporting Mnangagwa for the Presidency, despite his well publicised record of evil.
The evil was done to the people of Matebeleland; not to them, so it doesnt matter. Thats the Shona reasoning!!
Will Dumb Dumison ever shut that never ending mouth of his? lol
There is a good reason that no one with a properly functioning brain IS EVER going to have Dumb Dumiso as their leader.
Since the days of his first boss, the wise Nkomo, the severely egotistical and Dumb Dumiso has been without discipline .
Now Dumb Dumison deludes himself that others are to be blamed for him always being on the outside looking in and ETERNALLY complaining about those in charge.
Of course losers ‘need’ other losers as their leaders.
After all, ‘birds of a feather flocks together’, they say. lol
Also, there is not ‘grabbing of the bull by the horn’.
It’s more like foolish behavior has caused the bull’s horn to pierce the Dumb Dumiso, the SERIAL LOSER!
The undisciplined Dumb Dumiso disrespected the decision of his first boss, Nkomo.
So it is no surprise that Dumb Dumiso has been a loser, always being on the outside looking in and relentless fussing like an old menopausal female.
The Whites have a similar saying..”blood is thicker than water”….Blood being relatives ,water being strangers…So the moral being keep your family closer than strangers.
Just ask anyone who has ever worked for Arundel spar in My pleasant in Harare..How whites are
Anyone who has ever worked for spar ,or any white owned companies…Then you will see that nepotism has no tribe ,Shona or Ndebele or race …It’s just plain corruption and a lack of controls and balances to prevent it.
Mthwakazi regions and its people have a different history and experiences under the ZANU PF government than Shona speaking regions – why would you expect their politics to be the same?
There was no Gukurahundi in Shona speaking regions. In Matebeleland, people where forced at gupoint to speak Shona; even if they didnt know the language and today most of you are harvesting the fruits of these scoundrals as you now freely go about your daily business speaking Shona everywhere in Matebeleland quite arrogantly expecting everyone to reply in Shona. Its now totally different from what it was in the 1960s and 1970s.
ZANU PF Shonalised Zim politics and political power in Zim. They spoke and sang songs about Nehanda and Kaguvi and totally ignored the languages, Kings and Queens of Matebeleland.
Zimbabwe has been Shonalised in the last 36 years and is totally different from what it was in the Rhodesian days.
Every institution in Zim has a Shona character and the people of Matebeleland are made to feel foreign in the land of their birth, unless they interact in Shona. Any attempt at speaking in one’s language is met with usual “andinzwi”; and if the Shona is curteous enough he switches to English; yet he is the one who started off with Shona in the first place and of all places, in Matebeleland.
Generalky, most Shonas in these institutions dont even want to speak English; where they do, its largely Shona mixed with English here and there.
So; to any broad minded individual; one would understand why the political dynamics are the way they are in Mthwakazi compared to Shona speaking provinces. Of course as a beneficiary of ZANU PF politics of promoting anything Shona, you wouldnt know. Even Mugabe doesnt use Ndebele, despite the fact that he knows the language and his accent is even good.
Why dont you ask yourself why there was never any talk of secession in Rhodesia or in the early 1980s?
You think its nice to be told you dont belong; that the highest office you should aspire to in your country is to be a deputy under a Shona; in a country of your forefathers?
Even if many of us differ with the secessionists; their politics is quite understandable under the circumstances.
You Shona tribalists choose yo ignore this and talk as if people just walk up from nowhere with secessionist ideas.
These have been caused by ZANU PF politics of tribalism and their Shona supporters. I know you know this even if you pretend otherwise!!
Lol,maybe I do need my head examined.
But once we start having selective justice what makes us different from zanu?.
If a zanu person speaks truth should we just disregard it on the basis that it’s zanu.
Like now,when someone says that in 1980…He should have been made the commander of the army ,yet it was the President elects decision,should we applaud that? Remember zapu were given ministerial posts at the mercy of zanu.including his post and not by Votes of the people.
Yes we all know Mugabe appoints by tribe…But a presidential candidate can’t whine and cry that a post should have been his ..Yet it was not his right or authority to get appoint and get the job.
Legally Mugabe was within his rights to appoint whom he chooses,but morally we know he sidelined Dabengwa,but Dabengwa can’t cry about it in the public, about a job he never had a God given right too.Thats a pub story….
Who told him he was the best for the job?
Who told him Mujuru remained inexperienced ?
Dabengwa was zapu ,Mujuru was now zanu…So how can he say just because once upon I taught him (Mujuru) he can’t be my senior…That’s just petty.
Infact we need the whole crop of these war liberators gone ASAP with their war stories and ancient history… Dabengwa,Mugabe , Mngangwa,included.
We need fresh blood,what can die hards like Mugabe, Dabengwa, Mngangwa,Mujuru ,give us that they didn’t give us in these 36 years
Because both guys were Ndebeles.I went to the court because the SAPS had wanted me to assist to mail them because they were wanted for a string of crimes ,but the other witnesses were not so forth coming…
Yes we have sayings like that…But stop saying it’s a Shona thing….It’s not ,it’s a corruption thing.
The word nepotism is English,saying that even the English grappled with nepotism.thats all I can say….so long as you lie to yourselves that its a Shona thing..You are only setting yourself up for disaster.
So why associate it with tribe if it was random? There are plenty of Shonas who have also been caught on the wrong side of the law in SA.
In Zim, its a Shona thing. It goes back to the Rhodesian days and even your own Shona sayings support it like Chawa wana batisisa….idya nehama mutorwa anehanganwa etc etc.
That is why I am saying its a cultural trait.
Assisting relatives is one thing; but appointing an ill qualified person to a job simply because he is a relative of yours is quite another.
No bro,it was random.
The first was at the parking lot at Centurion mall,they smashed the windows and stole money and a laptop under the car seat.Metro caught them on video in the parking lot ,and were arrested hours later with my stuff.
Next they broke into my apartment ,the area I stay is pretty quiet,so no talking to people ,so it’s either they knew I was Zimbabwean or were informed or it was random.
And iam not the only one,even SA colleagues have had car Windows smashed ,and much to my embrassement the guys were Zimbabwean.
I did say many things about issues of other provinces,but under different aliases.I only started using the Doc alias in 2016, sir,just check.
And again , it’s not even hard to talk about Matebeleland, because every other second most issues that are tongue wagging come from Matabeleland.
Were in Mashonaland have you ever heard of a zezuru political party?, Or Samanyika political party…But in Matebeleland it’s weird galore… Someone will introduce a Bakalanga political party, a Tonga Political party….
Or someone will say HIV results have been cooked by shonas ….
It’s always matebeleland brother…I can’t help it, tell me what happens in Mashonaland and i I will comment.
Why did they pick on you? Look into yourself.
There are hundreds of Shonas in SA who have lived there for more than 20 years – no such a thing has happened to them.
Some have integrated; you cant even tell them apart as they speak Sotho, Xhosa or Zulu so well – ask this former Sundowns guy Hariapa.
Why you?
Sir ,as I said you are a blatant liar or ignorant.
Nepotism has no race sir,no colour or tribe….
How many of us will see a relative who is unemployed and never try to assist?..What is that called.
In SA it is even worse,even amongst the Whites.
Currently ,the new mayor of Tswane/Pretoria is grappling with nepotism…80% of employees in Tswane municipality are connected to top politicians in Tswane.
Sir it’s not a shona thing, but a corruption thing,Vele.
You have not answered my question. You have gone into the usual ZANU PF default nonsense about tribalism etc etc. That is rubbish.
You claim to be “currently focusing” – when did you ever have anything to say in the past about developments in other parts of the country?
You have to own up and stop lying.
Again,I neither have Ndebele relatives that I know of ,but again one never knows ,maybe I do .If I do I will welcome them.
However I will say this ,I have been on a receiving end from Ndebeles especially in SA…I have been robbed twice by Ndebeles whom I thought were south Africans,only for SAPS to inform me,they are Zimbabwean .
I will respect your question and observation.
Yes ,I am currently focusing on Matabeleland (Mthwakazi), and with good reasons.
1.Because Matebeleland has become a place of rogue outlaws , spearheading a Separatists agenda.For far too long have these rogue elements had there way.I and others,are their direct fruits.
The reason why people like me come along is because we are created by circumstance ,not out of choice.you might as well ask why there is an increase in tribal talk , videos etc …
2.Iam a very talkative person and mostly my interest is politics and country affairs.I want a better Zimbabwe,free from tribalism,hate,and separation..And God willing I will live to see this through.
3.yes iam on many sites, mostly Bulawayo24, not because it’s from Matabeleland but because byo24 often has tribal linked articles every minute of the day…And they have ,again,for a long time home without a counter balance…I,and others ,are doing a civic duty to counter such malicious Tribalism
4.for far too long shonas have been on the receiving end and have remained quiet in the face of mounting insults and barrage…Again ,I and others ,are counter weights.
5.Again ,for me it is more of a past time, a hobby if you will.
I hope I answered you.
We need leaders like DR Dabengwa who hold a bull by it’s hone, thanks sir keep it up
With Shonas; we are talking about the norm. With others we are talking about an exception.
I grew up with Shonas in the Rhodesian era. I know them like the back of my hand – including their cultures; clan languages and sayings!!
No sir ,you are either a blatant liar or have a closed mind view of things.
Nepotism is everywhere,with all tribes ,black , whites, Ndebeles or shonas.
It just appears shonas are more nepotistic because they are everywhere
How many councilors in Bulawayo have been caught on the wrong side of the law ,with land parceling or shaddy deals ..
Sir so long as you have a closed mind, Zimbabwe is doomed.
Corruption has no gender,race ,or tribe.
In white owned companies,how many whites have you see with qualifications yet they are better paid ,and have higher pecks and positions than blacks.
Wake up sir
Truth and justice in favour of a party like ZANU PF and its evil leader Mugabe; really? Are you serious?
Give me one example of anything good that could be associated with ZANU PF; notwithstanding their rhetoric.
You indeed really need to have your head examined!!
No sir,iam neither for Mugabe nor for Zapu , I sir am for truth and justice..no matter who is right or wrong.
A spade is a spade .
If Dr Dabengwa is wrong ,I can’t let an injustice pass just because it’s him sir,if that happens what manner of person will I be and what type of people will we be.
In the article they refer to Mugabe as Mugabe,but common curtsey requires we say Mr Mugabe, especially when he is addressing the nation.One can’t say Dabengwa,when addressing the nation, we must say Dr Dabengwa…He I not writing on WhatsApp or Twitter,but is a presidential candidate.
Mujuru was one of the corrupt we know,but for Dabengwa to say Mujuru should not have been senior to him in the army means he himself was nepotistic.if the army was Operating fairly ,then the commander in chief should have appointed the best qualified for the post, what makes him think it was him?, remember zanu was in charge of government,and the ruling government has the power to appoint whoever they want ,why should they choose zapu cadres when they zanu were in full charge after the 1980 elections?
Then if he says it was him that should have had that job,only,then it reflects an inflated ego,why should Donald Trump a Republican be expected to give the post to the highest qualified Democrat?,is that how recruitment works?
Donald Trump can elect whom ever he wishes ,a lesser qualified or more qualified person,from Democrats or Republicans.
As the saying goes,those who appoint disappoint.
Saying this doesn’t make me a zanu defender but a truth defender..i will defend zanu, zapu,MDC …If they are in the right and won’t just blanket everything black.
Why is that you only comment on articles that have a bearing on Mthwakazi people and the Mthwakazi provinces? I dont understand what kind of a person you are?
You claim to be National, yet clearly all that is of interest to you has to do with only one region, Matebeleland, why?
I have been deliberately researching through out all the articles published here and your comments are missing in all of them, except if the article has to do with Matebeleland.
You are even found on Bulawayo24 for the same reason – obsession with anything Mthwakazi.
I now strongly believe you probably have Ndebele relatives in your family tree through marriage – possibly uncles.
Most Shonas that I know who appear to have an axe to grind with Mthwakazi have Ndebele uncles!!
Speaking for your party and its leadership – whilst of course he is holidaying with his family at tax payers expense in Malaysia and Dubai? You dont even need any cajoling by the party and its officials to do that. You are always ready!
The Mwanawekumusha idya nehama nepotism is a Shona cultural trait. This is why they now dominate jobs in Mthwakazi.
Its a plain lie that this is because they are educated; since the majority are not even suitably qualified for the positions they hold.
I see no change for the better even under an opposition government, as long as the majority are Shona. In the MDC-T controlled Municipalities, Shonas have been running riot with corruption. Our country is totally fucked from the majority Shona.
Truth, happy new year.
What have I done now, Again?.
His Masters’ Voice!!
Dr Dabengwa,stop being petty.It just debaces you,all those people surrounding you are all yes men and women,
Why are you life president?
Why do you have a farm from evil people as you claim?
None of those people will add an ounce to your agenda ,and being petty only reduces you in front of would be supporters .
Being junior to you in Zapu doesn’t mean a thing to a person who crossed over to another party…You can’t enforce your superiority in another party or in government..You were not the authority to give and take positions….
So if I was your teacher at high school ,if you are appointed minister of education I must refuse to be your junior because I was your teacher, really.
Iam not excusing nepotism,but grow up sir .
Zapu was and is not government,so what happened in Zapu stays in Zapu.
THE MAN IS A DANGEROUS TRIBALIST! HE STILL FILLS QUANGO TOP POSTS WITH HIS CLANSMEN!